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Almaz
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Posted - October 02 2012 :  01:19:57  Show Profile Send Almaz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've been interested in HHO for a long time but the main problem with HHO as I can see, it is inconsistent HHO flow. Since hho flow depends on temperature and amount of KOH. It might work great for a month and after a month hho flow might drop or increase. The best way to always know how much flow you are getting because if cell would stop producing hho or decrease the flow then you are damaging your engine by over leaning. Since I couldn't find anyone selling or making such sensor to public for cheap here is an idea and I'd like to know your opinion.

It should consist of a pipe such as PVC with a propeller inside. See the picture. When HHO flowing thru the pipe, prop would rotate. Using IR leds we can easily count rotation of the prop and figure it out average prop rotation requires for 1 liter per minute. I can easily get the result on a small 16x2 Character LCD display.

Now I'd like to hear your ideas and what parts would be the best to use. In regards to electronics that's the easiest part for me.

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Kudzu
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Posted - October 02 2012 :  02:45:57  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Almaz,
Welcome to IAEC .
I've also been interested in HHO for awhile ...
I've thought just a bit about this problem and was thinking along these line's for a fix ... If a sensor was added and if the polystyrene would hold up , it may be better ( and almost cheaper ) than starting from scratch ...


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Almaz
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Posted - October 02 2012 :  03:17:57  Show Profile Send Almaz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Kudzu, It looks awesome. All it needs just a few sensors and we can measure easily hho flow.
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Almaz
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Posted - October 02 2012 :  09:52:12  Show Profile Send Almaz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here are the specs for it
Body molded of clear polystyrene with smooth connecting barbs for easy installation. Internal flow channel diameter is 5mm, paddle wheel shell is 25mm, overall length is 51mm. Maximum recommended pressure is 10 p.s.i.g. Minimum flow: 0.5 LPM. Maximum flow: 10 LPM. Not for use with corrosive chemicals or fluids with a temperature in excess of 64C (150F).

It does look like a perfect fit. The flow sensor must be installed at the HHO output and before car intake. The best part it doesn't have wheel bearing so there is nothing to wear out. Since the plastic is clear, it is easy to measure rotation.


Edited by - Almaz on October 03 2012 01:18:55
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Kudzu
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Posted - October 02 2012 :  21:56:53  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Almaz,
I'd like to see how you make out with it , if you wouldn't mind ...

All my experiment's and plan's for HHO are on the back burner for now .
My Mom is having very bad health issues .
I do check in as often as I can on here , mainly to get my mind off other thing's .
I'm just letting you know if I don't respond quickly that's why .

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Almaz
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Posted - October 03 2012 :  00:33:27  Show Profile Send Almaz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As a matter of fact, I'm just planning for a future HHO setup but I just don't have space or tools needed to build HHO generator :( I saw a few videos of yours using higher voltage and that's what I was very interested but using microwave transformer. My plans in the future to build hydrogen controller unit (HCU) but before I even start I need a basic hardware setup which I eventually build or buy one if I find with a good quality design.

The main idea of HCU to control O2 sensors and monitoring temperature, voltage, flow and amp's. Probably I might add RPM monitoring so generator would slow down during low RPM.

I'd really like to test out using high voltage 100v, low amps or direct 12v method and see temperature results. From my understanding high voltage and low amps equal to low voltage high amps due to the same wattage. Anyway it requires testing and I hope, I'll do that in the future.




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Originally posted by Kudzu

Hey Almaz,
I'd like to see how you make out with it , if you wouldn't mind ...

All my experiment's and plan's for HHO are on the back burner for now .
My Mom is having very bad health issues .
I do check in as often as I can on here , mainly to get my mind off other thing's .
I'm just letting you know if I don't respond quickly that's why .

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I still think the only dumb questions are the one's you didn't ask ...

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Posted - October 03 2012 :  00:55:57  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message  Reply with Quote
hey almaz, nice idea of a circuit to measure output. would like to see that once its done, i have been using a solid state pulse set up to run my hho wet cell. it will run either wet or dry cell easy. first set up i used from 5 to 15 2n3055 transistors and on this most current build i used MJ15003 transistors which worked even better then the 15 2n3055 transistors. voltage can go up to 140 volts in with 20 amps out, i run 5 of them at 6 amps and the cell really puts out with 1/4 tea spoon of koh in 1/2 gallon of water so not much koh at all, i did run a lot of test using just tap water and got really good hydrogen production. give me a shout when your ready to design cell layout, darrell is our resident expert on cell designs and he can give you some really excellent advice. i have several videos of testing if you care to check them out. have fun, dont blow yourself up lol and welcome again to the forum.


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Almaz
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USA
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Posted - October 03 2012 :  01:09:14  Show Profile Send Almaz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi SD3T, It's sounds like a similar setup that I'd like to test it out. Can you tell me from your experience temperature differences between your Solid State design high voltage and 12v? Is temperature lower or is it the same? Since you've been doing a lot of tests with your HHO can you do or someone else try another test. Here are the details:
Electrolysis produces protons, in addition to some loose hydrogen H atoms. But the protons are a more powerful fuel. Protons are created with high voltage, DC, in tap water. When you burn protons, they combine at the spark plug tip and form into hydrogen, when the spark plug donates an electron. When you combine the proton and electron, you get heat, and then you get hydrogen. Hydrogen burns, so you get 2 reactions, instead of 1. That's what Stanley Meyer discovered but never shared. With high voltage tap water electrolysis, you need a small fraction of the volume of gas to run an engine, because protons are an extremely potent fuel, and protons, being sub-atomic particles, are able to permeate through all porous metals and materials, so aluminum acts like a storage vessel, where the protons accumulate. The key to making the protons jump from the water fuel cell onto the engine, is to make sure the fuel cell has a metal output hose, and the metal output hose much be 1/2" away from the metal engine block. Everyone runs a plastic hose for the HHO cells, and this might be wrong. Protons can travel straight through plastic, and you will lose the energy before it gets to the engine. You want a metal tube from the water fuel cell, up to the intake manifold. This tube needs to have a positive charge on it, and the block is a negative (ground) on all vehicles. The negative block attracts the protons via static force, which pulls the protons from the positively charged output tube. The protons are strongly attracted to the engine block, pistons, cylinder head, and then they jump to the negatively charged spark from the spark plug, where you get a small nuclear reaction where the protons are combined with electrons, and you get hydrogen. You are producing an element, from subatomic particles, and this reaction, in its self, creates more heat and energy than burning hydrogen alone! That's how Yull Brown, Stanley Meyer, Joe Booker, Steven Jones, Peter Stevens, Bill Williams, and others were able to run their engine on tap water, electrolysis.
The easiest way to test it out using plastic hose just by putting inside of the plastic hose 10-12ga ground wire so the protons can travel from one end to the other one. Also the plastic hose must be away from any metal parts of the car at least 1/2-1 inch.

I wish I had all the equipment to test the theory but I just don't have it yet, and I can't wait to hear the results using this theory.
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