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TinMan
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Posted - April 06 2012 :  06:13:52  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Guys
It would seem that a lot of people say that an engin will use more fuel-energy to produce HHO than the HHO will put back into the engin.
It would then seem that we need to get current from an engin that will not add any load to that engin.
So who out there has one of these such unit's?

As *Not So Smart* as that question may sound-it is indeed posable to get current-(volt's+amps)from an I.C.E without affecting either the fuel consumption or engin torque.

We would all agree that the biggest loss in an I.C.E is the waste heat.This accounts for about a 43% loss of energy within the I.C.E.
22% is lost to friction(in a good designed engin)
This leave's us with our 35% crank torque and rated HP.

So if with a realy good HHO system we could get say 90% efficiency,this leaves us with only 11% to find to have a 101% system.

So what if we have a unit that could get back half the heat waste energy in the I.C.E
This would give us about 20% back-and we only needed 11%.
Now this may sound like it is just another thing that cant be done,but i will tell you now-it can indeed be achieved.
Over the last week i have been working on a unit that will convert the waste heat from the exaust into useful current.
At this stage due to me having limited material to build such a unit-i have only a small working modle-but it dose work.

Doing some calculation's on what i have,i think it very possable to get between 1.8-2.2kw from a medium size 4 cylender engin(around 1800cc)just from the waste heat of the exaust.


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TinMan
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Posted - April 06 2012 :  06:49:08  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Guys
this is a vidio of my first small unit working.
A bigger unit is already under way but i need to save a bit of my pocket money to get some of the materials.
I believe i should be able to get around 1/2 a kw from the motor in the vidio.



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topper
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Posted - April 06 2012 :  11:49:46  Show Profile Send topper a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Nice working unit tinman. At some forum i read that heat from combusting HHO could be used to run stirling engine and he could invert heat into electricity used to back to the fuelcells. But i think that it could be only small amount of back energy recovered, becaude there is also a losses.

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Posted - April 06 2012 :  22:35:52  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message  Reply with Quote
excellent work again tinman, way to go. i was checking real close and did not see any mouse so your good to go lol. keep up the good work. and do not worry about the clowns. they are still at the circus.

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hkalan
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Posted - April 06 2012 :  22:50:31  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello TM,

As Always... Brilliant work and video !

Truly Brilliant !!!

Congratulations on the success !

Alan



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Kudzu
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  00:10:52  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Tinman,
That's cool ..

I can't wait till somebody get's to producing this alloy in quantity, it may be useful . It doesn't use a thermocouple to produce electricity ... It's characteristics are very unusual = Thing's like it's non-magnetic till it's heated .. IDK , I just thought it was pertinent the research you are into just now and you may want to look at it .

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I still think the only dumb questions are the one's you didn't ask ...
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hkalan
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Hong Kong
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  01:16:51  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello,

My friend that helped me put in the generator on the boat this week sent me this video, saying I should make some power from the exhaust heat of the 3 diesel engine I have on the boat... Although the engines are sea water cooled. It could be adapted somehow before the exhaust exits the engine room.

It follows your theory of gaining energy from the exhaust.

Just wanted to share...



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TinMan
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  02:25:32  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Guy's
Kudzu-thanks for the link
Hkalan-heat or steam from the heat could indeed drive a motor to generate power.But there is an easer way.
My system dosnt use any fancy material's. The part out of the microwave oven is just the coil of the fan motor.
This is part of how the power is generated.I will have to make a vidio of the whole setup and show just how simple it is.A lot more power could be recovered from that engin exaust-but i am limited with what i can build with the machinery i have in my shed.


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hkalan
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  04:20:29  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey TM,

I am very interested in this...

Here are 2 pictures of my main drive engines. I have very tall riser's off the V-8 engine's as you can see in the pictures ! After the riser, the raw sea water from the cooling system (heat exchanger) will enter the exhaust pipe to then cool everything on the way out the transom pipe.








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RWGresearch
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  04:20:33  Show Profile  Visit RWGresearch's Homepage Send RWGresearch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
word tinman!!! Time To Team Up!

lovin the open box and hope to post here more often... just a lot going on!!! Blessings!! ~Russ




"If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries

Edited by - RWGresearch on April 07 2012 04:21:40
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TinMan
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  05:43:26  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Hkalan-are your motors turbocharged?looks like there not
Hey Russ-if you want to team up you will have to move over here lol,as i dont fly.


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RWGresearch
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  06:31:14  Show Profile  Visit RWGresearch's Homepage Send RWGresearch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
O, but you see! The team is all over the world!!! That's what's got to hapen!!! :) just becouse we are "teaming up" don't been we need to be by each others side! :)! Joining forces to bring this form and the You must be logged in to see this link. forms togeather! Team work! Over long distances! :) yeah! Good stuff! ~Russ

"We can demonstrate the technology. We can say itís here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Itís going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thatís actually occurring. - Stan Meyers, 1997"


"If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries
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hkalan
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  06:44:06  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey TinMan,

NO... None of my engines are "Turbo".

All standard Marine cooled diesel engine !

NO computer !!!

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TinMan
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  08:16:31  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lol Russ-we have a great team here aswell-a book of knowlage is I.A.E.C
But like you said -it will soon be time to Clean up the world-as it looks like the powers that be are only interested in money and power,not the good of the people or the planet on wich we all live.


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TinMan
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  08:19:47  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Hkalan
You are in luck without the turbine's.
Russ is trying to organise some parts for me (after i find them lol) and have them ship'd to me.
Once i have a proto type im happy with then we shall look at the best conversion for you.I am still trying to find out the best way to achieve the most current from the setup-so just bare with me on this one.


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RWGresearch
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Posted - April 07 2012 :  09:21:42  Show Profile  Visit RWGresearch's Homepage Send RWGresearch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
:)

Yep! You do! And we do too! 2 forces! One goal! I see some good things comming!!!

Sweet!!! Ok, I'll quit spamming your forms! Lol

"We can demonstrate the technology. We can say itís here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Itís going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thatís actually occurring. - Stan Meyers, 1997"


"If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries
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hkalan
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Hong Kong
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Posted - April 16 2012 :  01:41:51  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello TM,

Any new updates in your little box of tricks ???

I just got a picture from the Taiwan Ship builder that is building the new vessel... This is what my engine exhaust risers will look like... we can run a few test with this vessel as well as the one I am on now !!!! nudge, nudge, wink, wink...



Alan



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TinMan
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Posted - April 16 2012 :  07:52:53  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now that looks like a place we could get up to a lot of mischief in lol
I had totaly forgoten about the exaust power system lol-been flat out doing other thing's ,like putting a new clutch in my freelander. What a turd of a job that was-reminds me why i never went back to being a mechanic lol.
I am haveing a 3d animation of the system drawn up soon i hope-do you have a good engineer that can build things to design over there?


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hkalan
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Posted - April 16 2012 :  09:10:44  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey TM,

Oh Yes.. I do love an engine room with 3 diesel engines... Never a dull moment !

I do 3d Animations and 100% computer renderings.

Drop me an e-mail of what you need... If you need it completed in a tight time frame, I have a list of several designers that can.

Let me know !

Alan

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TinMan
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Posted - May 07 2012 :  09:23:55  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just thought i'd throw this one in.Aparently no matter how many diode's you add,it wont load the sec up anymore.



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RWGresearch
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Posted - May 08 2012 :  05:37:37  Show Profile  Visit RWGresearch's Homepage Send RWGresearch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have seen this video a long time ago. I'm starting to now wonder after our little experiment with copper. I'm wondering if this is a similar results. Since the leads on the diode are probably made out of a type of copper. And not a stainless steel. You're getting the same effect. So you are actually creating both hydrogen and oxygen except the metal is oxidizing and trying to be removed and plated onto the other side. Just the same way your copper electrodes tried to do. Those are my thoughts on this video. One can only get a diode with stainless steel leads to be sure...

Blessings!

~Russ

"We can demonstrate the technology. We can say itís here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Itís going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thatís actually occurring. - Stan Meyers, 1997"


"If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries
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TinMan
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Posted - May 08 2012 :  05:56:50  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Russ
I was thinking more on the efficiency side of thing's.Just wondering how many diode's you could add befor power consumption went up?


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RWGresearch
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Posted - May 08 2012 :  07:54:54  Show Profile  Visit RWGresearch's Homepage Send RWGresearch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
These systems don't care, stuff like this is strange and wonderful!

Most of the time, either the system will be under less load when more power is extracted or no change in power consumption.

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And

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Just some of my friends showing just this...

Manny more people have done it.

:)

Good stuff, and best of all, most have know idea even what they have...

~Russ

"We can demonstrate the technology. We can say itís here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Itís going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thatís actually occurring. - Stan Meyers, 1997"


"If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries
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fan1701
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Posted - May 08 2012 :  11:15:40  Show Profile Send fan1701 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi guys. I have an sec-18 and have done the diode test. It works. I could also light a low wattage floro tube , light a diode on a AV plug , and various other things simultaneously without any noticeable impact on current draw.

al

* Not following the manufacturer recommended specs * ON PURPOSE!
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