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Kudzu
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Posted - October 26 2015 :  02:43:05  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Guy's ,
I'm having pretty good success cleaning out Our well .
I was going to plug clean it but the 2in bailer I cobbled together was useless . I tried several versions with NO luck whatsoever to bring much of anything off the bottom .
Its at least 3 ft cement coulvert around 35 to 40 ft deep . The bottom is sand , silt , clay ( almost like greyish modeling clay ) . The clay seems random across the bottom .. Anyway
In my research I ran across air lift water pumps .
Its suppose to only work on deep water Wells .
Its basically what Drillers use to blow out a well .
I tried several versions trying to make it work . I tried a check valve version .
I had my little old Craftsman air compressor and a old delvibliss paint compressor together . I was blowing a whole lot of air but getting no results .
Finally I took it to bare minimum .
I took a old black ABS 1 and an eighth inch pipe , I got an old short angled brass valve stem ( I think it was out of an old Truck tire ) out of my scrap .
Anything will work to inject the air about a foot from the bottom of the pipe . I rigged up a airline connector to it and hooked up just the paint air compressor .
It works very good , so far I have cleaned several cubic yards of the stuff off the bottom .
There is nothing to tear up ( barring my air compressor puking out ) .
It did clog several times but I just force my hand over the open end of the ABS and it clears pretty easy ( a valve would be nice but I'm running what I brung and just using junk on hand ). I also do that to aggitate the bottom ( think straw in milk , lol ) when I remove my hand it putts out a good sputter of muck .
It pumps out very good but as the water level drops so does production .
I have to wait out the rain to get back to it but so far with what I've cleaned out the well is refilling many times faster than it has in the last 3 years .
Granted the water is mucky in the whole well right now but , as I've moved the ABS to different areas the water comes up clean from the bottom in that area in just a little while ( as clean as it can be with the well stirred up ) .
The ABS pipe I'm using is very old and trys to curl but I am using weight's to help streightin it ( so i can make it clean more than just the sides of the well at the bottom ) .
It is just as simple as a air compressor and inject air into a pipe close to the bottom end to clean out a well though .
I bought the paint compressor from a guy for 20 bucks a couple years ago it will pump up a tire fairly quick but has no tank and it wont start under pressure . It ain't a particularly powerful compressor but it does pump the water and muck good .
I'm just mentioning that so you wouldn't think you had to go buy a fancy crazy priced compressor to make this work .
I don't know the CFM but it cant be a whole lot .
I'm not trying to bore y'all just figured I'd post about it encase somebody had a well that needs cleaning to give em a cheap way without buying a bunch a stuff .
It dumps something like 1 gallon a spurt maybe a bit more but there ain't any moving parts to tear up . If it fits in the pipe so far its came up and out .
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49er
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Posted - October 26 2015 :  11:15:22  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi K

We do something like that to look for gold. we use water down a 1" pvc pipe that goes inside a 2" pve and the debree comes out the top of the 2" and then we can pan it. Point is the same as you it cleans out as far down as you can pump, its all volume and pressure. Very good use of Junk. My well man I think used acid to clean our well and let it pump for out for 12 hrs after to clean slug from around a greater area. Good job


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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - December 17 2015 :  20:42:24  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
OK after some use it clogged back up .
I put the same pipe back down the Well and the silt was about the same as to start .
I had an epiphany and decided to run a separate air line to lance down into the bottom of the Well .
Using my old craftsman air compressor and a little regulator , 60 psi seems to be the best pressure so my old compressor ain't running constantly and the end doesn't get clogged up .
I just used hose clamps to hold it at about 6 in beyond the end ..
So far it's bringing up some really thick silt and stuff ..
I plan to extend the lance further to try to break loose the muck further into the bottom .
IDK it's a trial and error learning experience for me but the results so far seem to be positive .

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49er
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USA
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Posted - December 17 2015 :  21:47:57  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
wE WILL BE WATCHING

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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - February 03 2016 :  13:39:07  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
OK for now we're using only the well for water . So far its holding about 1 & 1/2 culverts below the top of the ground . About 4 & 1/2 feet there is a lot of water but test are scewed cause of rain .
When things dry out I will know more about its resting level .
I've one last crazy water bill then just the minimum , hopefully .
I have a section of pipe removed and installed quick couplings so It could go back to city water if needed fairly easy .
Can't have both connected at once .
I would just have city water shut off if they didn't charge so much to turn a valve but for now I'm stuck paying $ 17.50 just to have the option to use city water .
I don't really trust my old well pump to not fail .

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49er
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USA
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Posted - February 03 2016 :  17:35:59  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi K

Just an idea can you find a large tank for reserve to give you a bumper of water ?

Doug
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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - February 03 2016 :  19:52:15  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I really have not found a viable option for a reserve tank .. I had thought about using a air pump to lift water to a tank with a float switch to cut the compressor off and on . A tank would keep pressure for water without need for another pump if raised off the ground .
There's just no way to make it work here .

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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - February 04 2016 :  18:01:32  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I haven't responded because I'm not a well guy.
Now that I see it's not improving and have someone I can reach out to (which I did in a short conversation) I'll ask..

How far down is your pump?
How strong is it?
Is the entire well full of silt when not pumping water?

That's pretty much what he asked me..

Old in age, not in mind, so
'Teach me something new'!

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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - February 04 2016 :  22:45:43  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey ODR ,
My well is a cement culvert well .. Most likely hand dug ..
They would dig and slip another interlocking culvert on top as they all slipped down while digging .
There are a few hand dug wells I've seen without a culvert but in the wrong soil they can colaspe .

Mine only has silt that I can access in the bottom of the well .
I'm not up for the acid treatments that 49er referred .
My pump is on top of the ground in a small brick pumphouse . It's suppose to have an air tank to build pressure against but I don't have it connected .
If the air tank was used in my case I would just pump water into a leak I'm still trying to find ( under my house ).
Now the way I have it adjusted its not under high pressure but maintaines a good flow while in use .
Now 49er has a drilled well with a pump in the bottom of his well , if I'm not mistaken .
Those get interesting to lift the pump and all the water in the pipe to do any work on em .
They can go many hundred feet down .
I don't know if that answered your question though ?

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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - February 06 2016 :  09:00:25  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I also am on a 'Drilled well', about 275ft deep. My pump is about 80ft off the bottom (I'd have to pull out my notes to check that, but about right).

So I'm curious how far down your inlet line (draw from the well) is?

If, as you say, the silt is only at the bottom (normal), than it stands to reason the inlet is too low.
What I'm understanding is, if you raise the inlet and still pull silt, then there's a great issue at hand.

I'll pass this along and see what 'my' guy's response is.


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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - February 06 2016 :  09:10:56  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just checked my email 'Junk Box' (hate it when stuff goes there..)

A few of questions came back from him;
Is the inlet/pump on the bottom? (Came close on that one! Ha!)
If he fills a glass of water and let's it stand, does it clear? Believe he's ruling trying out Rust (iron) in the water.
Check for 'Leaks'. In either the pump or line. (Sounds like you're on that one!)

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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - February 06 2016 :  22:04:52  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My footvalve is about 1 foot off the bottom .
About 35 ft of ABS pipe .
I really need to plunk my well to get closer measurements .
I have pulled the pipe and footvalve last summer mainly cause the footvalve stuck open .
I don't think I have the iron bacteria in my well , I can't remember exactly the name ..
I seem to have fine silt and clay .
My water is clear when put in a glass but wasn't for a week after I stirred it for cleaning .

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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - February 06 2016 :  22:15:56  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I know I have a leak under the slab of my house .. Was on city water and meter showed a leak .
I have probed and been the whole nine without luck pinpointing it yet .
My pump does cycle every few minutes to rebuild pressure lost from the leak .
I can isolate my house from well and pump doesn't cycle , don't detect any leaks on my pump .
I do think I have a good idea of the leak location but that's one pile I ain't ready to scrape off my shoe just yet .
I don't know if any of those questions are about 49ers well ?
Maybe he will chime in if so ?

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49er
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Posted - February 06 2016 :  22:30:07  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi K
Do you have a straight shot into your slab?? If the pipe is large enough you could just sleeve a plastic pipe inside from one end to the other and that would take care of the leak.

Doug
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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - February 07 2016 :  08:35:52  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's a real good thought Doug!

Kudzu, sounds like you've covered the basic's my well guy was asking about.
Plus you covered his last of isolating the well from the house to determine which is the issue.



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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - February 08 2016 :  12:29:46  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey 49er,
It tile in bathroom and hardwood in back bedroom . Neither are one I wanna go through .
Only .5 copper so time it was sleeved not much room for water . I think the leak is under the bathroom tile and slab .
If I built a slab house , I would run electrical conduit to run perpex or copper through it . If a leak developed all you'd have to do is drain the conduit and pull old line then run new line .

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49er
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USA
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Posted - February 08 2016 :  12:41:54  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote


BUMMER

Doug
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49er
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Posted - March 07 2016 :  10:54:25  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi K

Anything new on the well now that spring is here?

Doug
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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - March 07 2016 :  23:08:09  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Doug ,
So far its holding around 2 culverts deep from top of ground .
I have never seen it maintain this much water from day one of looking into the Well . Even after long hard rains for several days it never was more than a bit better than half full .
I am kinda stumped as to why its holding so much . Very Glad and pleased though !!!

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49er
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Posted - March 08 2016 :  09:08:57  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi K

(Well) maybe you opened up the spring that supply's it. OK so not knock it, SMILE and say YA I fixed it. Good luck

Doug
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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - June 08 2016 :  12:58:19  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
OK , It ran dry a couple weeks ago . Had to go back to city water ( reminded how much chlorine sucks ) . Bright side the leak ain't showing , I'm baffled as to why .
Now am planning to drive a sand point into the bottom of well . Trying to work out the logistics for my application .
I still need a foot valve and jet for two pipes .
Planning on steel 1 1/4 pipe with a 1 inch plastic for return using a check valve above the sand point .
Its going to be a bit of a Frankenstein ,but shouldn't run out of water hopefully .
If I was able, I'd just run it dry and go in to muck out the bottom with my A frame over the Well .

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49er
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Posted - June 08 2016 :  13:46:53  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Keep us up on you luck

Doug
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SerenityAnsel2014
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Philippines
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Posted - July 21 2016 :  03:53:04  Show Profile Send SerenityAnsel2014 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi, good for everyone here for they still have a water well as their reserve tanks. I don't think, there is still a well nearby in our place. Perhaps, its because we live in the city. I used to see well in our province before. The water is in fact cold but the well must be clean always.

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Edited by - SerenityAnsel2014 on July 21 2016 04:07:22
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