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 its probably a fake but its well done
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Luciano
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Posted - November 20 2013 :  17:17:57  Show Profile Send Luciano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just stumbled into this one.


if its a fake... where did he hide the battery?

the guy also answers some questions on the device here:



actually he answers quite a lot of questions in the comments of the second one.

Anyway its well done (i cant see where he has the batteries lol)

The only thing that makes me wonder...
When i was a kid.. a friend of mine had a little radio called "detector receiver" it was nothing else than a wire, a diode and a earphone. you could hear the local radio station loud and clear with no batteries!

So in my mind it could be something similar to that and instead of the earphone you have a little motor.

The only thing that makes me wonder is that he says in the comments of the second vid.. that the motor takes 250ma to start up.. thats a lot, even at 1.4 volts.

Luc

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olddawgsrule
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Posted - November 21 2013 :  17:41:36  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree, very well presented!
But I just watched a David Blaine special and understand just how good 'slight of hand' can be.
David just amazes me as to how good he is, 'live'!
On a video... Nah.. have to show me better.

Seems to be pretty easy to prove the theory..
Make the coil and check







Old in age, not in mind, so
'Teach me something new'!

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ron_o
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Posted - November 21 2013 :  18:36:33  Show Profile Send ron_o a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Forget the coil , its just acting a a wire connection , the battery is inside the motor housing.

ron
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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - November 22 2013 :  15:40:01  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
RonO, He does something unique in this.
He shows voltage in just the coil.
A new twist to an old 'slight'.

What I did notice, is that the wires to the meter are never fully shown when testing.
Battery this time I don't believe is in the motor (like the last one we saw).
I figure it's 'inline'.

Old in age, not in mind, so
'Teach me something new'!

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ron_o
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Posted - November 23 2013 :  17:03:41  Show Profile Send ron_o a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

Test meters can be "modified" that's a fact , but i still think the motor housing contains the battery.

ron
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IrishDave
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Ireland
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Posted - November 29 2013 :  17:00:59  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Guys.

Kultus already proved a battery can be fixed inside the motors and the plastic tie would also suggest a modification was made.
I know the meters can also be modified, but showing no voltage coming from the motor and voltage in just the coil, is a step up on Lifehacks video.
How did he do that?

I don't know enough about magnets or coils to make a guess if it is real or not, but are wireless transmissions (such as radio waves) a possible explanation? An air battery maybe?
I have seen crystal radios work without magnets, so is there possibly something else happening with the neos added?

So many people claiming fake without even trying to build one is something that I recently covered on another thread and lets be honest here - this is an easy one to prove or disprove with a 10 min build.

I bet if a crystal radio was unknown and I was to post the first video showing one working, there would be the usual 'Fake' comments on my channel with cries that a battery is hidden too.

Is anyone even going to bother replicating this one this time around?
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ron_o
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Posted - November 30 2013 :  17:42:43  Show Profile Send ron_o a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Dave

This "device" is just a complete waste of time. All this video tries to do , or its intended purpose is to make the originator think they are clever enough to trick others.

You mentioned a crystal set radio . This only works because a tuned circuit extracts energy from transmitted radio waves and a "crystal " diode rectifies the output to drive a suitable earphone.

I apologize for the abruptness of this reply , these "time wasters" give us a bad / stupid image , we need Kultus back in action !

ron
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IrishDave
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Ireland
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Posted - December 01 2013 :  12:10:04  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So how is he fooling us on this one with the readings?

My point about the radio is that some people (especially on youtube) are too quick to judge things they know nothing about.
You know all about the crystal radios, but what would be your thinking if you did not know that they worked?
Would you think it was a hoax?
I have read about people in Africa that refused to believe that ice came from frozen water, because they had never seen it.
I would also imaging something similar happened with the introduction of solar panels! Electricity from the sun? No way!
It is incidents like this that has thought me to dismiss anything without solid proof.
Plenty of people do not believe in Radiant energy. I could have been one of them too, if I had not broken the mold.

I fully understand that some people are hoaxsters, but I also believe they should not be totally dismissed without proof (which nobody has presented yet). Like so many inventors throughout our history that have been shunned, I like to give people the benefit of doubt - innocent until proven guilty?

That 'Time waster' has me fooled as to how he is doing it. lol.
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ron_o
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Posted - December 01 2013 :  12:33:08  Show Profile Send ron_o a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Dave

I like to, or tend to think of these people as "magicians" . We know that when a magician saws his assistant in half that he has not really done it but it is the magic of the illusion that we have paid to see.

If this type of video was presented as "magic" as it were , then i would be far more interested but to portray it as a free energy device is i believe wrong.

You are quite correct when you say that things can be easily dismissed due to lack of knowledge and i'm sure that at some point this has in fact been the case , this is then a scientific setback and mankind suffers for it's loss . But how much time is lost when science follows the wrong path , how many discoveries could have been made if it were not for being led in the wrong direction ?

ron

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Magneticitist
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Posted - December 02 2013 :  23:29:46  Show Profile  Visit Magneticitist's Homepage Send Magneticitist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
yea I agree with Ron here, the battery is inside the motor, because it can be, and quite easily.

he also makes it pretty obvious the battery is inside the motor when he tries to debunk that theory by shorting the motor contacts with a piece of metal, when i would wager most anyone would simply twist the wires together or use clips. I also looked at both videos taking note of the direction the motor was spinning, which i saw to be counter-clockwise, not only from the battery but from the coil. It looks to me as if he connects the coil to the motor and the motor spins counter-clockwise. In the second video it looks to me as if he connects the coil in the opposite direction and it still seems to spin counter-clockwise. What he did not do was reverse the polarity of the battery in the demonstration to see if the motor would spin in the opposite direction. The video also seems to "skip" right when hes passing the coil from hand to hand.

[on the gravy train with biscuit wheels]
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IrishDave
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Ireland
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Posted - December 03 2013 :  12:12:47  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Agreed, but the battery in the motor would not account for the readings from the coil.
If I were to take a guess, I would say that both motor and meter would have to be rigged to pull this one off.
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Magneticitist
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USA
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Posted - December 03 2013 :  12:36:02  Show Profile  Visit Magneticitist's Homepage Send Magneticitist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
most likely yes, unless he had a clever way of putting a very very tiny 1.5v watch battery inside one of the coil's clips just so, where inserting the meter probe in just right would give the reading of that battery and nothing else. the meter however does show signs of "acting up", and if you pay attention during the part in the second video where he says "ok continuity" and checks the coil leads for continuity after he checked the voltage, the meter doesn't beep or change readings, but flickers a weird number the whole time, and he acts like nothing was wrong and everything checked out and continues. it was also clear that whatever he had to do to get the voltage reading across the coil, it was not a very good method of connection, because it seemed to take a little while before the meter actually read anything. Also, why go through all that and not take a current reading from the coil, if you were finding a voltage? It's like once again I don't want to be thought of as a naysayer or free energy doubter in some way, i just cant accept totally unproven claims such as these because of all the BS artists out there. As convincing as it may seem, it is not 100% convincing, and that 100% could be achieved at least in my mind if the demonstrator were to do a few more things that he probably cannot.

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