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Luciano
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Posted - May 09 2013 :  10:52:11  Show Profile Send Luciano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually it is a magnetic gear 1:1
What is astounding is that the small wheel is about 3 inches, the big wheel is 20 inches and the ratio is 1:1 !!??

here is the video


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What fascinated me is at about 2 minutes. with one wheel he drives 2 discs in opposite directions and uses them as generator doubling so doing the speed.

My question: How is it done?? (with magnets ok, but by what principle)

Why i think its not a fraud?
because on the homepage in hungarian, there also is an english part:
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it starts with the gold medal of the geneva inventors fair.
(they call it "magnetic rotational torque enhancer")
the diploma is the first pic on the page. also there are lots of videos of him demonstrating the device to people at the fair.

But in the video.. there is a patent number that is strange.
Pat Pend no. P1000565
When i tried to look it up... nada.. only a pair of shoes had that number..
Other problem, on the page of the geneva inventors fair, he doesnt show up.. (but that means nothing.. the blind southamerican who won last year with his torque enhancer (he was worldwide all over the news, even cnn had him) isnt there either...

what do you think.. any idea how its done?

Luc

PS: is there a way to subscribe this post? it seems i have no subscribe button in this forum. All other forums work fine.







Edited by - Luciano on May 09 2013 11:59:03

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ron_o
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Posted - May 09 2013 :  15:28:49  Show Profile Send ron_o a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Luciano

Let's just assume that we have an arrangement of two wheels as shown ( forget the "magnetic coupling" at the moment ) how can we link the two wheels together to get the effect , as shown ?

1) the drive wheel shaft turns a bevel gear set ( hidden inside the support block ) this turns the drive through 90 degrees. The drive now is at 90 degrees with respect to the baseboard

2) an identical sized/diameter pully wheel is attached to both shafts and a belt connects the two "wheels" together

This of course gives a 1 : 1 drive ratio ( as shown )

If you listen at approx 5 minutes in ( when the "clutch" effect is shown ) you hear "clicking" and a "sqeal" ... this is a typical sound of a "dog clutch" and belt drive arrangement.

So that's how i would do it...... I'm not saying thats how it was done but until i see underneath the baseboard thats how i think it was done.

ron

BTW i think it's a HOAX

Edited by - ron_o on May 09 2013 15:31:54
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Luciano
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Posted - May 09 2013 :  23:48:39  Show Profile Send Luciano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well if it is a hoax its well done, because he got lots of people live at the inventors fair in geneva (videos at bottom of his page)

Yes that is what i also thought when i saw the video.. but on the other hand i did a little research on my own and there is similar stuff already on the market for wind generators and military trucks etc...
a magnetic highly sophisticated gearbox. (its not 1:1 but like 1:100 for real big windgenerators.)

BUT they say they can also have a nearly 1:1 ratio (1.01 : 1)
I thought he might be using their principle. (if it is not a hoax of course) using a different amount of magnets in the outer circle:
here is the magnomatics video..

and their homepage.
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their products are visibly not for individual consumers.
but the principle is quite interesting, even for small scale pulse motor / generators


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Another question comes to my mind with his generator (2:00 in his video)
Has anybody ever tried to build a generator with stator rotating in opposite direction?
ok, you would need brushes but it would double the speed...

Luc

Edited by - Luciano on May 09 2013 23:58:44
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IrishDave
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Posted - May 10 2013 :  12:32:09  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I saw the top video when it was released, but I was disappointed when so much more could have been shown - like doing some work.
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ron_o
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Posted - May 10 2013 :  16:11:25  Show Profile Send ron_o a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Luciano

I was aware of the Magnomatics drive system and it's basic principle of operation . This system is co-axial and the magnetic flux is well confined , the Magnemot is not and that level of flux "streching" ( especially at 90 degrees )to produce a 1:1 ratio is in my opinion not possible given the information as stated in the video ( use of permanent magnets only )

ron
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Luciano
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Posted - May 12 2013 :  14:20:48  Show Profile Send Luciano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I fully agree with you ron,
thats why i posted.. thinking: is it only me?
but the only thing that makes me wonder is the fact that at the geneva inventors fair they usually test the inventions before giving them prizes.

Luc
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ron_o
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Posted - May 12 2013 :  15:36:01  Show Profile Send ron_o a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Luciano

Apart from the magnetic aspect of this "device" the thing that most caused doubt is the 1 : 1 ratio , this implies that 100% conversion is taking place between the drive and driven wheel and given the gap between the two wheels and the geometric flux intensity fall off between the magnets in the two components, in my opinion i do not believe it's possible

Is it possible that the video was only filmed at the Geneva Inventers Fair ?

ron
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Magneticitist
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USA
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Posted - May 14 2013 :  23:51:37  Show Profile  Visit Magneticitist's Homepage Send Magneticitist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
of course i would have to say hoax as usual just because i can't see "everything" that needs to be investigated.

[on the gravy train with biscuit wheels]
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Luciano
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Posted - May 15 2013 :  02:06:10  Show Profile Send Luciano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ron_o

Is it possible that the video was only filmed at the Geneva Inventers Fair ?

ron



No, apparently he really was there..
i found an article (in german) from a magazine called : borderland of science. in the article they introduce a handfull of "interesting inventions" from the fair.
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(article in german!!!)
and he is presented among other inventions like artificial cloud creation machine, a new vertical wind turbine and special solar roof tiles for water heating.

If you add this to the series of videos on the bottom of the homepage.. ( they are without sound though) i think he really officially was there.
here is one of the videos from his page (this cannot be a fake video):
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Luc


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ron_o
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Posted - May 15 2013 :  17:09:37  Show Profile Send ron_o a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmmm , stranger and stranger.

Thanks for the additional information , Luciano

Once i've read the borderlands article i will get back asap

ron
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