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TinMan
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Posted - April 22 2012 :  06:02:12  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok-well we all like to dive in and build stuff without takeing some time to do small test on the best way to go about it.
So lets have some of your findings posted here on what you found to be best


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49er
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Posted - April 22 2012 :  09:26:40  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TM

That looks straight forward to me it is all area that controlled the amps BUT more edges controlled the HHO better, Just my view.

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TinMan
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Posted - April 22 2012 :  10:11:39  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi 49er
Yea as you can see the perfirated plate uses less amp's but produces more hydrogen.
I will begin to build a big unit this week-hopefuly have it up and rinning this weekend.


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49er
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Posted - April 22 2012 :  10:29:02  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TM

Will look forward to that video

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Posted - April 22 2012 :  13:09:17  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message  Reply with Quote
howdy tinman. excellent test between the two types of plates. you seem to have more edges using the perforated plate which makes the flow of hydrogen and oxegen flow easier then off the solid plate. i just got the 5t up and running, will have the second mother board added soon. will run some test using it to run the hho system. will have to try some of the perforated material also, looks very interesting.

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Kudzu
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Posted - May 02 2012 :  00:07:05  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Guy's,
This fellow is just sweeping by the frequency for Hydrogen and look at the output ... Believe it or not I have my amplifier's that I was wanting to try this on in my collection box .. The only difference I want to use a focused frequency and very low amp's . I'm collecting my part's , still need a frequency generator as the big thing, I'll have to find ... But, this proves what I've been thinking about hitting it with frequency with low amp's with an audio amplifier , IMHO .



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TinMan
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Posted - May 02 2012 :  01:42:37  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now that is preaty cool i must say--so much to do lol


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msmjr
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Posted - May 02 2012 :  07:43:53  Show Profile Send msmjr a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Kudzu
Thats neat. It does prove what you guys have been saying about frequency.
TinMan just like the electric motor, find the the right frequency then adjust the volts/amps as needed. Perfect for your new board.

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49er
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Posted - May 02 2012 :  08:46:57  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi K

That is real cool and it works now just have to turn it into something we can build.. That is something we have all been coming at from different angles but will keep plugging away with my TS but with more caps for freq. Good video

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Darrell
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Posted - June 07 2012 :  23:58:44  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think the anwser maybe in the solid state charger if we could get it into resonance as this guy may have. Check his video out.
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TinMan
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Posted - June 08 2012 :  22:46:31  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The one thing i dont agree with is that this guy is takeing other people's circuit's and putting them in his book-that he sell's and make's money from???
This cant be right.
Oh and if you buy his book-then he will help you out.
A good thing we here at IAEC do all this for free.


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Darrell
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Posted - June 10 2012 :  21:38:30  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree with you about selling the plans to people for a fee but I bought it before i found this forum. I am sure that we will give it some mod's after the curcuit is put together. I will let you know. "D"
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TinMan
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Posted - June 13 2012 :  00:31:37  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Speaking of efficiency Darrell- I have a test for you
With that dry cell that was doing 3 lpm- could you swap every second plate for a perforated mesh plate and see the results
I would do it- but don't have a dry cell
I know this go's against all the trouble of limiting current leakage- but give it a go and see what your mmw is- you may be supprised
I have done some testing and found that if I used perforated mesh on every second plate, I got the best results
I started with the positive plate as perforated plate


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Darrell
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Posted - June 14 2012 :  14:20:16  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sure I can do the test. It will just take me a bit to locate the materals and have them cut to the size of the current plates. I will tell you that suface area of the plate makes alot of difference as well. I sandblast my plates rather than sanding them and it has made a big improvement in production. It also allows for the Weld On 16
to stick to the plate to block current leakage. Another thing I learned is having offset inlet hole creates some kind of ossolation with the ion flow and inhancing HHO production but the location of the offset holes is key.

If anyone else would like to have me try differnt expeirments while this fuel cell is on the bench let me know. "D"

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shakamuni01
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Posted - June 21 2012 :  07:11:47  Show Profile Send shakamuni01 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am wondering how much actual pressure does HHO create. I remember seeing a container explode almost instantly when it was completely enclosed and the person started the electrolysis machine. Playing with an idea about it.
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49er
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Posted - June 21 2012 :  07:50:49  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi shak

HHO is very powerfull respect it. I popped on in the basement with a flame and it made my wife jump on the main floor very loud. That was the last time I got to do that.LoL

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shakamuni01
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Posted - June 22 2012 :  00:58:46  Show Profile Send shakamuni01 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes I will. Is there any specs on a P.S.I. it can create. I am not so concerned about the rate but the potential of energy it can create. I think somebody posted a vid where he ignited to gas and it created quite a suction. Also though when it is created I wonder if it creates pressure in the opposite direction.
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Kudzu
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Posted - June 22 2012 :  01:45:25  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Shack,
I would think since you can't compress a liquid ... The hydrogen that is produced and move's above the water it would continue till container failure or the electrolysis was stopped . I can't remember seeing any test to prove or disprove this thought ...
It's just what come's to my mind as a end result .

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TinMan
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Posted - June 23 2012 :  09:58:21  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well this is an interesting question shack
Hydrogen will turn to liquid at 13.3 atmostphere's or 195.45 psi.But this is at a temprature of -253c or 423 f.
So who know's at room temprature???
Maybe we have been looking at the hho thing all wrong.
What if we had a sealed cylender,preasurised it with HHO to say 200 psi then ignighted it--that would be one hell of an explosion lol.

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TimberJack
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Posted - June 23 2012 :  17:12:12  Show Profile Send TimberJack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TM,

"What if we had a sealed cylender,preasurised it with HHO to say 200 psi then ignighted it--that would be one hell of an explosion"

Do make a video of this one before you fire it up.lol

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shakamuni01
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Posted - June 23 2012 :  23:53:52  Show Profile Send shakamuni01 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well tinman here is my idea. You create pressure= energy as you create it. Run it through a rotating shaft. Then once it goes through you explode it and create a suction on the other side so you get two bangs for on charge. There is I know a company in france that runs on their cars on air pressure only. So know HHO can create that without a clunky compressor. BTW I will be flying over/via perth on my way to bali tonight so I will look for little HHO explosions from the sky :-).
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Darrell
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Posted - June 24 2012 :  02:22:00  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just so you all know static electricity can set of HHO without pressure. If your reactor is making a high percent of ortho gas then it is more sensitive atmosphere changes. I now work on rubber floor mats and take all safety measures when testing. Now for you guys thinking of making gas with radiant chargers must be take precautions and I would not even try to compress Hho at all unless you are using hydride to store safely under pressure. Just my two pennies. Darrell





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TinMan
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Posted - June 24 2012 :  08:47:27  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Aw Darrell your no fun lol.
I have already had one big bang in the shed.Some dingaling decided to stick the output tube straight from the cell tub into the motor lol.End result-50 ltr's of water on the shed floor,one disasembled 60ltr drum and ringing ear's for about 2 hours lol.
Oh not to mention the wifes land speed record from house to shed lol.

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Darrell
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Posted - June 24 2012 :  18:18:43  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah we have fun with HHO on the 4th of July as well. We fill up 2 liter bottles with gas and use a BBQ igniter on a long run of wire as a fuse. Now talk about Loud!!!
Now when it comes to compressing it that another story. Last year here in the states there was a business that was compressing both gases and selling it. They ending up killing someone and blowing up their shop in the process. Very powerful stuff. "D"
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shakamuni01
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Posted - June 25 2012 :  05:33:34  Show Profile Send shakamuni01 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My understanding was that HHO implodes but I guess my memory also said that it will explode when mixed with other gasses. Darrel when you say ortho gas(I googled it) you mean Hydrogen gas by it. Definately sounds like it is a job for the one who has the right tools and experience to experiment with.

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TinMan
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Posted - June 25 2012 :  07:31:24  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi shak
HHO explodes then inplodes when returning back to water.

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Darrell
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Posted - June 27 2012 :  18:06:15  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ortho gas is much stronger than Para hydrogen. The quality of gas being made can be determined buy the quality of the fuel cell build and the power in which is being applied to make the HHO. A typical dry cell bought online makes poor gas maybe around 50 percent Ortho to Para and sometimes lower. The more efficent cells make better ortho gas percentages. Using high voltage low amps to charge a fuel cell makes as much higher ortho to Para percentage. This can be inhanced further with earth magnets after the gas is made as well.

One reason I joined this forum is to learn all about the curcuits you all build to see if I can apply them to making HHO and the cells I build. "D"
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TinMan
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Posted - June 28 2012 :  07:50:49  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Darrell
I think this circuit would be a very eficient hho circuit.
Use two cells,one hooked in place of the positive charge battery and one inplace of the negative charge battery-hooked up like the batterys polarity ofcourse.It may be nessasary to remove the diodes between the bass and emmiter on both transistors though.
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Darrell
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Posted - June 29 2012 :  13:47:56  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the curcuit TinMan.
Have you tride this with your fuel cells yet and does it self resonate?

I will have to put one of these curcuits together. Hopefully I can get the coil just right as you mentioned.

Thanks again and I will keep you posted. "D"
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TinMan
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Posted - June 29 2012 :  23:36:57  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Darrell
Make the coil windings the same-not diferent as in the diagram.That coil was setup for a pulse motor,not solid state.It did work quite well like that ,but make the windings the same on your coil if you are going to use it as a fuel cell driver.That way each cell will get the same amount of current.
And no-i havnt tried it on fuel cell's-it was just a thought that it would be a good cell generator.

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MatHydro
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Posted - July 29 2012 :  22:44:40  Show Profile Send MatHydro a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How do you measure Temperature off a HHO cell if Iam using 50volts 10Amps off the shelf SSteel without using a Temperature Gauge what Calculation can I use guys???
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MatHydro
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Posted - July 29 2012 :  22:49:35  Show Profile Send MatHydro a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey TM
Does anyone know how too calculate Temperature off an HHO cell without using a Temperature Gauge..........can anyone HELP ?
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TinMan
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Posted - August 03 2012 :  13:28:33  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Im not sure how else you can get the temp of the water without a temp gauge

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kcarring
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Posted - August 03 2012 :  18:36:46  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Kudzu
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Posted - September 26 2012 :  01:42:15  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Guy's,
Have y'all checked out irondmax HHO production ?

I don't know what it's costing in amp's but, it is getting impressive !!!




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Posted - September 26 2012 :  02:10:24  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message  Reply with Quote
oh yes,,, that is some serious output, big question is how much power is he using, the plates/surface area is very large, so i would guess they are using a veriax power source from the sound of the hum.


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Posted - September 26 2012 :  02:12:05  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message  Reply with Quote
mat, you can attach a temp gauge to either the positive or negative terminal and from all the testing i have done, those connections are right in line with the cell temp. give it a try. you can also use a thermal coupler down in the water and run it up thru the top of your cell if its a wet cell and attach a gauge there also.


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