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TinMan
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  08:15:56  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote


Remember-when you make a mistake you have just learned how not to do it.This only brings you one step closser to success.The only way to fail is to never try>>>>TinMan<<<<

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iaec
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  09:34:52  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nice one to get this one going :)
Even in 1860 ish they were playing with HHO ^^

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fan1701
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Posted - December 13 2011 :  12:41:59  Show Profile Send fan1701 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This guy has some vids
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irondmax also has some.
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* Not following the manufacturer recommended specs * ON PURPOSE!
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TinMan
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Posted - December 15 2011 :  07:07:32  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cheers fan1701

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benz247
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Posted - December 17 2011 :  06:03:18  Show Profile Send benz247 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I`ve been following this guy for a while now on youtube rwg42985
He does alot of great work including stuff on Stanley Meyers work

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iaec
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Posted - December 17 2011 :  14:34:30  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Benz, i`ve seen alot of his videos and he is doing alot on Meyers work in the last year or so ^^
Thanks for the link since not everyone may have seen his channel :)

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IrishDave
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Posted - December 17 2011 :  19:09:24  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hawk has done some nice work too.

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kcarring
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Canada
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Posted - December 27 2011 :  03:07:45  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
User Delvis11 has done a ton of research and builds on brute force electrolysis and is very approachable. of particular interest (to me anyway) are his 110/120V AC builds. I am currently converting a 13.8 21 plate cell over to a 58-61 plate 110V cell.

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Another great experimenter and long standing HHO enthisiast is Larry, HHOPWR on youtube, and he has experimented with some really cool stuff including media blasting, special porting, and magnetic effects:

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Possibly the secondary forefather of HHO (understudy of Yule Brown himself) is experimenter and professional HHO torch builder George Wiseman. His units differ from every atypical dry cell in use today, in that, more like Bob Boyce's units, they employ nearly absolute zero current leakage. He also has some very cool transformerless power supplies using capacitors. I haven't built any of Georges HHO units, but I have actually used his torches and quite seriously, they kick ass. He is off the beaten path and really, no dive into HHO is complete without at least reading what the man has to say! I might add that I actually bought his NEW book, and it is better and worth the money. It'd be unfair to post this link without stating that if you are truly interested in brute force HHO, you ought to buy his LATEST book , even if you don't plan on building "his way". It will open your mind up to a few things, I'm sure of that. Not only that, George will teach you how to add all the necessary safety components any "REAL SYSTEM" ought to have. If you enjoy this read, send the man your money, he deserves it. I did!

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Magneticitist
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Posted - January 07 2012 :  20:19:51  Show Profile  Visit Magneticitist's Homepage Send Magneticitist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
good info man.. so Kyle.. you ready to start filling hydrogen tanks via solar panels yet?
if so we can go ahead and make a mini rover that runs on hydrogen fuel cells and a hydrogen combustion engine for the big boy toy that goes fast lol. hell if its cloudy we can just plug that sucker in to the wall, or the exercise bike dynamo, or the small steam engine we would have to make for kicks. if all else fails we can befriend some wild elephants and get them to turn huge generator gears and use the almighty elephant power but i doubt it will come to that

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kcarring
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Posted - January 09 2012 :  04:23:42  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Magneticitist

good info man.. so Kyle.. you ready to start filling hydrogen tanks via solar panels yet?



No, not yet LOL Don't have the balls, to be honest. About a year ago a friend of mine, and I used 18L (you know, those big blue water bottles) of HHO to remove a stump (and nearly our hearing while we were at it). Ever since I haven't been tempted to bottle the stuff. It was like a small atomic bomb. I am still working on my HHO fridge tho. It does work, fairly efficiently, but I keep melting my heat exchanger, the HHO flame is tough... it's actually WAY longer than it appears... I'm getting very frustrated, and anxious to tear down my 13.8V system and just build it up to the 58-63 plate 110V version. Especially since I never use it in my diesel truck anymore either. -- i have all the parts.... have had them a long while ... have you seen my setup? If not, I'll make a little vid.

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kcarring
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Posted - January 09 2012 :  04:30:57  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@Tinman

What do you have going on there, in that diagram? Is that like a Bob Boyce setup to get the voltage up to bounce across a bunch of neutral plates in a high voltage setup, or what?

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kcarring
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Canada
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Posted - January 09 2012 :  20:18:02  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is one of my (two) HHO units slated for rebuild. Just a video of firing it up after 7+ months of sitting with electrolyte in it, ready to grow up into a 110V.

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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - January 12 2012 :  10:02:35  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey KC, I'm interested in HHO also , I haven't built a unit yet but, I found this flash-port and it seem's to be a fair one to build cheap .. I thought you may be interested.. The unit the same fellow shows looks like a fair one also .. I'll put the video link for both , you may have seem em already .

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kcarring
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Posted - January 15 2012 :  04:20:13  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Right on. That's something I need to build indeed. I've been known to be a scant on the dangerous side with HHO, I do enjoy blowing the stuff off. Very interesting. For only pennies per bomb, you too, can master the art of HHO terrorism!

Ok, that was a real bad joke.
I regret it already.

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Lefthand
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USA
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Posted - January 28 2012 :  09:55:47  Show Profile Send Lefthand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
my 24 plate dry cell is almost ready to put together,yes this stuff is very explosive when bottled,just as kc had stated,i myself have had one blow up on me ,but i wasnt paying attention and boom.hopping to get cell done this weekend and make the bubblers soon.Then into the GMC Jimmy,get a few more miles on the tank.Lets beat the NWO and make our own.Late!
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TinMan
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Posted - January 29 2012 :  06:30:57  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi lefthand-cant wait to see your setup work and see what mpg you get after you install the system

Swim at 90 degree's to the current and gain speed in two directions while only doing half the work
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kcarring
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Canada
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Posted - February 08 2012 :  22:52:20  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@Tinman

Where are you at with HHO? So far my study has been strictly conventional, brute force. I decided that for my own mindset, I needed to have a benchmark. I needed to know what good 'ol current could make how much, what effected production, at what energy cost, the application to a diesel motor, and to what effect. So that was nearly two years right there, very part time of course... life goes on and playtime is playtime (And it was playtime.. I work).

Anyway... it was a good experience. And I did not notice a lot of things. Who was doing what.. etc. One thing that I also noticed, was that brute force was not a waste of time - I got 10-15% improvement on a 4.8MMW cell as read on a dynamo, average over 3 tests. Fairly inconclusive, due to lack of 10-100 replications, but the testing wasn't cheap.

What was way more impressive were the emissions tests. Out of three tests, the average was 74.6% emissions reduction!

MY current unit, I'm thinking of switching to 110V. Here is the status of that unit, here:
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Another thing I noticed, was a handful of experimenters in the forums and the Tube, experimenting with high voltage who, by and large had absolutely no clear concepts of how to properly measure output, dry their output product and clearly did not understand how to judge their production - so .. I'm not disappointed that I put in the time on the basics.

I noticed on another thread you stated you fealt you may focus on this stuff. What are your thoughts, where are you currently at?

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TinMan
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Posted - February 12 2012 :  08:32:55  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Kcarring-Myself and a friend of mine have been into HHO production for a long time now.We got out of the habbit of useing electrolites about 2 years ago and now that unit is producing more HHO than it did with the electrolite.Because it is a joint venture and not my own-i cant post much about that system,as my friend is seeing the big dollar sign's lol.That particular unit dose not have any electrodes in the water at all-it works on sound and electromagnetic frequency with vibro plates on either side of the tank.
But because we live some distance apart and he is a FIFO worker we dont get to spend much time on it at all.
So for this reason i will be starting on my own design wich will work in a similar way but with the use of electrodes submerced in the water-no electrolite will be used.I have the tube cluster made and will be starting the tank very soon.I am rebuilding the vacume pump at work in my spare time-just waiting on some parts to turn up.Our other unit produces 37LPM through a gas flow meter-(none of this bottle in a bubbling bucket rubbish lol.)at 4.3 amps 12 volts-so if i can get half that i will be happy.
One thing people overlook or just direguard when making HHO (and this is a little hint for you)is that hydrogen has both a resonant frequency and a wave length-frequency around 1420MHZ and a wave length of 21cm.

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iaec
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Posted - February 12 2012 :  15:36:59  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TM,

If you ever make an HHO system for a car that runs on sea water...let me know ;-)))
Where i`m going theres plenty of that around...should be some good cheap driving.lol

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TinMan
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Posted - February 12 2012 :  17:00:31  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TJ-the problem with salt water is the clorine gas it makes-yuck lol

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kcarring
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Canada
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Posted - February 14 2012 :  00:06:05  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@tinman you do realize those numbers you stated are way overunity and well into the "free energy" category, right? No typos there?

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TinMan
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Posted - February 14 2012 :  08:38:29  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well HHO systems i dont see as over unity as the HHO is the fuel needed to run the machine.Its just a matter of being able to produce the HHO efficiently.I dont see how it's over unity as the water is your fuel-its just that water is cheaper than petrolium.Oh and that 4.3amps dosnt include the CPU were useing as the signale generator via the audio output-Thats probably another amp at 12 volts once we make a stand alone signal generator minus the cpu


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Kudzu
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Posted - February 15 2012 :  03:32:30  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Tinman ,
I was poking around on the net and I have the exact frequency wrote on a tablet but, can't seem to find it at the moment ... Anyway in the course of searching I discovered they have some kind of international B.S. to protect those frequency's ... I think that's how they have managed to keep it quiet ... I think your friend will be disappointed to learn he will have a very hard time getting a patent . Unless the oil is gone they won't let anything happen with that technology and even then there is probably patent's ready to go through from the D.O.D. ... As I noticed they have many, many, patent's already ..

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TinMan
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Posted - February 15 2012 :  04:36:30  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi kudzu-you will find that getting a patent for these type's of devices or any that threaten the oil,gas or electric company's will never go through because they will just say they own it already and if they didnt have it they will just use your design and sign it up to themselfs befor you even have a chance.The best way to go is public-leave the clowns out of it all together.You need the backing of a big company that will foot the bill to get it aproved and start manufacturing and fitting unit's.Once word gets out and people see it plastered all over the news it will be hard to stop.The biggest power in the world is the people and once they know its out there,there will be demand.The world needs to be rid of the burden of fosil fuel's wether the oil copany's like it or not.
A patent is the last thing you want to try for with something like this.

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iaec
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Posted - February 15 2012 :  19:03:12  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TM,

"the problem with salt water is the clorine gas it makes"...
Sucha shame...aint there away around this???
And i dont mean a "reverse osmosis" unit to filter the sea water.lol

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TinMan
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Posted - February 15 2012 :  20:41:45  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TJ- salt water would be the best as it already has an electrolyte in it, I will have a think about how to deal with the clorine when the time comes

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Kudzu
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Posted - February 15 2012 :  20:42:50  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey TJ,
You could use evaporation, where you use the Sun to evaporate the water from a center source the water will go up and collect the run down the dome shape to a catch pan ... According to how big you go will be how much clean water it will produce but, using the Sun it's free . It can be done with plastic sheet on a roof . A automatic refill for the saltwater container and a separate tank to hold the freshwater .. In the heat of summer it would produce best and if the collector and tank are clean it's good to drink . Well, probably better than most municipal supply's of water , NO Corine or other junk added ..

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49er
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Posted - February 15 2012 :  21:12:51  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TJ

The only way I know of to get ride of chlorine is a reverse osmosis unit.

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kcarring
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Canada
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Posted - February 16 2012 :  02:57:07  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Making HHO with seawater...

well...

your not actually making HHO.

2Cl- => Cl2 + 2e
2H2O + 2e- => H2 + 2OH-

Overall:
2Cl- + 2H2O => Cl2 + H2 + 2OH-

So unlike the production of HHO, your oxygen is bound up.

BUT...

that's an interesting thought!

Normally, the fact O2 is present makes it very difficult later...
If done separatively as to avoid Hydrogen chloride gas - It'd be very interesting to see if it were easier to then scrub the chlorine and arrive at pure H2, this way, than by making HHO... because it is those pesky little oxygen atoms that make it so unstorable...

Interesting stuff guys....

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TinMan
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Posted - February 16 2012 :  03:55:03  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is a question for you kcarring-if h2o is oxygen(wich assist in burning and hydrogen is a fuel,then why dosnt water burn?-we know if the two gases are combined it go's bang realy good,so why not in a liquid form?. Liquid hydrogen burns well and if liquid oxygen is thrown on a fire the fire will realy get going-but together they do the opposite-Why???

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iaec
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Posted - February 16 2012 :  12:55:05  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi all,

Thanks for the input here...:))
About that clorine, so when you use sea water is not HHO but H...??? what?

Is this clorine that same stuff we put in pools, drinkwater, and so on???
If thats the case why must we take it out of sea water to make HHO since the tap water we use to make HHO has clorine added in it???

Or am i missing something here???

Edit; or is the salt in sea water that producess clorine during the HHO production???


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kcarring
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Posted - February 16 2012 :  14:36:27  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@Tinman

Without going into a full on geeky answer... water is an ash, not a fuel; per say. Which is why it doesn't burn. And it's pretty easy to see when you consider water dripping off a tailpipe for instance.

BUT

Along those lines of thinking Stan Meyer actually DID get it to burn, his final rendition of the waterfueled car, perhaps you already know, wasn't so much of a water fuel capacitor / resonance chamber.. it was more "on the fly" and "in the chamber" with a spark setup.

On a real local basis (minute surface area / volume) if you either excite the covalent bond dramatically, OR bring the temp up very high (above 1400 degrees I believe?) the disassociation is rapid and much easier.

And then there is you and your partners experiment; which I have sort of heard of before; and I think it may have started with, who was it, Keely? Transduction at a harmonic or fundamental resonant frequency.

I'm surprised you quote megahertz frequencies. Did you guys ever test the actuall oscillation frequency of the vessel itself that contained the water; in other words, let's say I set up a megahertz oscillation and I hold it against another substance, maybe steel or glass... I'm curious if the vessel (being difficult to move) actually sets up in a lower harmonic AND it costs less current to produce the higher harmonic? Just thoughts.

The other thing that tweaks my thoughts are this: Everybody thinks of water as a covalent bond, and it is, I'm not gonna argue that.. a polar one. But, it can be considered both covalent and ionic because the negative Oxygen is attracted to the positive Hydrogen ionically.
So what really happens when we expend energy attacking the integrity of the ionic balance. Is for this reason that some have gone below the Faraday required energy to split water?

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TinMan
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Posted - February 20 2012 :  01:27:13  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lol you know lol
Anyway brute force isn't the way to go as you will always end up behind. Us humans have a bad habit of thinking everything can be solved with force. In truth it is always better to "go with the flow"
Everything has a frequency at which the atoms will start to disassosciate- just like the wine glass at a certain frequency, once that frequency is hit then the molecules bond breaks down and the glass falls apart
Well the same can be done with water and because the frequency of oxygen is so high then we need to target the hydrogen instead
I have got the donor motor in the shed and starting the mods on it this week

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