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TinMan
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Posted - December 09 2011 :  19:51:27  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
just somethin diferent-how we use to ring the bell


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iaec
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Posted - December 09 2011 :  20:19:26  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry to hear about your Grandfather, my condolences.

The firt person to build something like was a Belgium inventor from about 1869 i think Zénobe Gramme.
The Gramme Dynamo.

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Check this video and watch from 3.50minuets AND listen very carefully whats hes saying from 05.55 minute mark till 06.30 minutes.
Just listen to it a few times till you get it. I think thats just awesome. Multiplaying ^^
We need to dig deeper into that




I really like those old stuff ^^
We can learn so much form them :)
Awesome thing to hooked up my Monster PM with flywheel :)
Yeh mate , hook it up on one of your PM`s :))

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Kultus
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Posted - December 09 2011 :  20:29:13  Show Profile  Visit Kultus's Homepage Send Kultus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Love some macro shots of the inside workings maybe even a diagram Tinman, extremely interesting
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fathershand
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Posted - December 10 2011 :  10:27:01  Show Profile  Visit fathershand's Homepage  Send fathershand a Yahoo! Message Send fathershand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very good use for the new circuit, or is it the standard SSG?
I'm sure you'll get some numbers to see how effective this old generator really is. I love those old things. Many times they are better than our "modern" stuff.

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TinMan
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  05:34:36  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Kultus-i will disasemble it and take some good picks of the inside.Fathershand-its just a standard ssg setup except the magnets are south out and the coils pulsing north out-stops the core's of the coils magnetizing

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TinMan
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  06:15:08  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi iaec-love that vidio-the part about the dinamo with each electro magnet building up the power of the other is exactly what im doing with my design.I call it the cascade generator.The first small one i built as a proof of concept to me worked a treat.The 12 volt motor was drawing 230ma and i was getting 2.8 volts at 1.13amps from two coils with the center coil shorted.As soon as i opened the center coil the other two lost over 75% of there power.Im working on the bigger one now -but boy is it a *** to wind lol

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iaec
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  07:52:28  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TinMan, those old videos have alot of good infos in them.
Do you have a video of that setup your talking about(proof of concept) ???
Yeh the bigger the setup the bigger the *^&&&(* in the *&*^^&&* is.lol

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TinMan
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  02:03:35  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lol well can't work out that last bit but anyway let's just say that something's are better presented with a bang instead of bits and pieces.
Thus the interest in your pulse motor that has all that torque on 90ma
However I believe the members may be a happy lot soon lol
But unlike our old mates CW and vesper there will be no talk until the proof is in the pudding
But I will see if I can resurect the first little one I built- it got robed for bits lol

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TinMan
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  05:46:36  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
the phone generator disasembled at kultus's request.






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TinMan
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  06:01:27  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The shaft through the center of the windings is in 2 pieces-one end of the windings is conected to one end of the shaft and the other end of the windings is conected to the other end of the shaft.one end of the shaft is insulated from the body to eliminate a short to ground the other end is grounded through a brass bearing.One set of windings is wound one way and the opposite way with the other-this makes it a dc generator,so there wasnt any need for the FWBW i used in the test.They dont make them like that anymore

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ccass15n
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  10:26:13  Show Profile Send ccass15n a Private Message  Reply with Quote
oh no lol, you took it apart.... whenever i take something back apart it usually doesnt work any more haha

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iaec
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  12:37:43  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for them pics mate, awesome :)
Is that rotor made of non magnetic material and where all magnets north one side and south the other?
Well, i think the bycycle dymano (old ones) are made like that...time for me to search for one :))

Whos cw and vesper???...^^

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Kultus
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  15:19:55  Show Profile  Visit Kultus's Homepage Send Kultus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I checked these out on ebay, might be able to get my hands on one for about $50, looks like a good toy to have if thinking about building ones own wind gennny, thanks for the Pics and the detail Tinman, The big copper section is that 1 solid piece of copper or is it insulated halfs ?

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iaec
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  16:00:20  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Kultus, if you find any on ebay would you mind post the link for me because these old stuff are really good for basic learning.
Thanks...:))

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Kultus
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  16:05:49  Show Profile  Visit Kultus's Homepage Send Kultus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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there you go IAEC

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iaec
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  17:17:31  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you very much Kultus for them links, now its time for me to kiss my wives feet so i can get them for X-mas.lol...^^

The one in the first link is awesome but the shipping cost will be more than that thing it self -.-

Its TimberJack mate...dont call me the forum...haha...sorry about that, sometimes i cant resist ^^

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TinMan
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  17:20:29  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TimberJack-the rotor is iron-so magnetic,and all magnets were north one side and south the other.
Kultus- the houseing is two piece joined with the copper dowls

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Kultus
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  18:22:12  Show Profile  Visit Kultus's Homepage Send Kultus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
is there any insulation at all between the 2 halfs and the dowls ?

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iaec
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  18:36:20  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info, magnetic means better induction wich in turns means better power output but when i see you spin it by hand it spin so easily?
Didnt you feel any cogging of the rotor against those magnets, wasnt there any sticky points?

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TinMan
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Posted - December 12 2011 :  21:51:54  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Kultus- the shaft must be insulated in the center someware as there is no continuity between each end of the shaft
One end is grounded to the whole frame but the other has the brass bearing in a rubber bush and is connected by a ball point to the insulated pickup point
TimberJack- I could not feel any coging at all through the handle. But the horse shoe magnets are very weak now

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Kudzu
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Posted - December 17 2011 :  23:43:19  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Guy's , I remember as a kid my folks had a box one with a crank that hung on the wall ... I don't remember if it had gut's or not ... I'm gonna ask my pop if it was in the house fire or if it was in the shed ... If it was in the shed, it should be still be around here ... I'm gonna bum it, if it was in the shed .. lol /// The crank telephone for military field phone's, that didn't use batteries come up for sale every now an again ... They should be the same just portable, I'd think

I still think the only dumb questions are the one's you didn't ask ...
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Kudzu
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Posted - December 17 2011 :  23:48:30  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Guy's, I did a search and here's a cheap modern way to go


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Well , For $3.02 , free shipping just something to play with and tear apart mostly .. LOL


I still think the only dumb questions are the one's you didn't ask ...

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iaec
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Posted - December 18 2011 :  06:32:07  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Kudzu, thanks for that link but i am going for a old model ^^
The old motors/design have character :)

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IrishDave
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Posted - December 18 2011 :  07:27:27  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That looks cool.

I only watched a 3 part program the other night (The Story of electricity) that showed them in action and how they became wireless shortly after their design.
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iaec
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Posted - December 18 2011 :  10:48:14  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
These old stories about our history on technology and electricity are very good, alot of good information in them ^^
I try to watch all of them even if that means remembering about 1% of it all :)
But that 1% just might be that 1% i just needed ^^

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et2uscg
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Posted - December 22 2011 :  10:20:58  Show Profile  Visit et2uscg's Homepage Send et2uscg a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is there any information on Ziner b gram. I dont even know if I spelled it correctly. could be why I cant find any thing, but I am still looking.
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et2uscg
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Posted - December 22 2011 :  10:29:49  Show Profile  Visit et2uscg's Homepage Send et2uscg a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iaec

Sorry to hear about your Grandfather, my condolences.

The firt person to build something like was a Belgium inventor from about 1869 i think Zénobe Gramme.
The Gramme Dynamo.

Check this link You must be logged in to see this link.

Check this video and watch from 3.50minuets AND listen very carefully whats hes saying from 05.55 minute mark till 06.30 minutes.
Just listen to it a few times till you get it. I think thats just awesome. Multiplaying ^^
We need to dig deeper into that




I really like those old stuff ^^
We can learn so much form them :)
Awesome thing to hooked up my Monster PM with flywheel :)
Yeh mate , hook it up on one of your PM`s :))

TimberJack

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here is a video I found on subject. maybe this will help the cause.
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iaec
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Posted - December 22 2011 :  12:26:07  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi et2uscg, thanks for that video...nice old dynamo :)
Would be fun to use neodynuim magnets instead of the ferrite ones ^^

Do a google search on this name ---> Zénobe Gramme <---
You will find plenty on him and others in the same Category

Here are some pics :)





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Magneticitist
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Posted - January 02 2012 :  16:57:13  Show Profile  Visit Magneticitist's Homepage Send Magneticitist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thats very interesting! amazing little old generator.. even back then they were using the collapse..

seems like that little guy uses a combination of the shifting fields and coil-shorting to get really good results from hardly any speed.

going to have to analyze the whole design so i appreciate you taking it all apart.

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TinMan
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Posted - January 03 2012 :  03:39:08  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
no problem mag-i wanted to see myself anyway lol.Even cranking this thing slowly give's a far better boot than you get of an ssg-to fast and it hurts lol-and those horse shoe magnets are very weak now-one of the north pole's(one end of horse shoe magnet marked with an N)actualy attracts the north of a compus now-so its turned south lol.Hate to see what it would do with some neo's on it

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