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ccass15n
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Posted - December 08 2011 :  20:26:17  Show Profile Send ccass15n a Private Message  Reply with Quote
so i never really got into solar power or energy before, but i was doing some thinking today.. solar panels only work during the day because of day light correct? but what about night..there is energy in all forms of light, even the light waves/energy waves we cant see.. so what if we had a panel that could utilize both solar and dark light. they always say that dark is the absence of light but i cant by that just yet.. for example, we see an object solely because light reflects off of it right? so if we move faster than the speed of light then everything would appear to be black? because light wont be able to reflect off of it and enter our eyes, so in my mind now is that dark, or in this case black light, must move faster then regular light... if we can find a way to harness this we could have a panel that could work both night and day. also if we could have a panel that can harness thermal energy, infrared, then this too could be used at night...

idk just a thought, let me know what you all think..i am trying to find a way to calculate the speed of dark...there has to be one...maybe we just havent been able to find it yet or maybe everyone hasnt focused on it because all we really see is regular light..

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TinMan
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Posted - December 09 2011 :  05:40:35  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would have to say the speed of dark is the same as the speed of light as once the light is switched off the dark is right behind it

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Kultus
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Posted - December 09 2011 :  08:36:07  Show Profile  Visit Kultus's Homepage Send Kultus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
sound, light, radiation, magnetic fields, all have a "wave length" maybe just a matter of tapping into these "frequencies" for lack of a better word ? just need to find a receptor that works to all of these frequencies.



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iaec
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Posted - December 09 2011 :  09:18:21  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, from what i know is that there are solar panels now that will still produce plenty of juice even during the night.
Ofcourse not as good as during the day but its a good move in the right direction :)

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TinMan
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Posted - December 10 2011 :  06:12:11  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes i have one of these panels that work at night-its only a small one about 300mm square.A new solar shop open'd here and were doing this promo and giving these's away.They said it can produce power from heat aswell as sunlight.Its only 12 volts but it will drive 5 LED"S full bright in the moonlight-full moon even when its a cold night.
I hear there are new panels that use infared insted of ultraviolet light that are nearly 52% efficient

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ccass15n
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Posted - December 10 2011 :  18:16:13  Show Profile Send ccass15n a Private Message  Reply with Quote
hmm im going to look around up here by me and see if i can find anything like this

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twally67
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Posted - December 10 2011 :  18:19:50  Show Profile Send twally67 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
here is some work by lidmotor on solar energy





you should check him out on youtube and his friends they do good work too...

sometimes meltdowns though kinda $$ make the best inspirations!!!

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TinMan
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  01:39:14  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi twally-yea lidmotor always has great work to look at,i subscribed to his channel a while ago now-be good to have him here

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twally67
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  02:33:00  Show Profile Send twally67 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
lidmotor used to be on teep now ill invite him to here

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TinMan
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  04:35:35  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Excellent

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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - December 11 2011 :  14:41:15  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Tinman , Do you know a name the pannel company you were talking about ? I'd like to get one ,soon and the one's you were talking about sound's like what im lookin for ... Thank's

I still think the only dumb questions are the one's you didn't ask ...
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49er
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Posted - December 13 2011 :  15:39:52  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi to All

This is a site I recommend for solar. It is changing in price a lot.

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If I were going to start from scratch on solar first I would go with 24 volts just for smaller wire for hook up. New solar panels are just as easy to buy at either 12 or 24 volt. At 36 volts though there are not many panels in that range and also the inverters only come in 12,24 and 48 volts so lets talk 48 volts. First you have to make a commitment for that voltage for all components. It is easy to go up to 48 volts with your bank but it is harder to come down in voltage with your bank because the battery you single out will be down in amps and there for like a wink link in a chain the bank will fall down and not perform as needed for that bank. Lets see what a 48 volt bank will need to perform, for know lets use a standard T105 DC golf cart. When you use the 225 AH T105 in one bank 8 will be needed but when you do that you have only 225 ah's for your capacity which you only get to use 10 to 15 % of that AH. So you will need many more batteries to make your bank of usable size. Where as the same number in a 12 volt configuration would give you 900 AH's and a very usable size bank for one night of use. Hope this helps, food for thought.

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TinMan
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Posted - December 15 2011 :  07:34:25  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi kudzu-it dosnt have a name on it,all it has is 1-794-2 with a 7 point star on it.The glass is a orange-grey color.Went to the shop were i got it and it's closed up-guess it didnt go so well after our idiot priminister drop'd the solar rebate.In direct sunlight it puts out 18 volts-at night time with the moon it puts out about 11 volts and will light 3 LED's.On a complete dark night it puts out about 5 volts and will light 1 LED farly bright.Well not much more i can tell you about it,but i will keep hunting the internet and see if i can find one similar.I see the only diference between an IR panel and a normal pannel is the glass.A normal pannel has normal ironed glass were as an infared pannel has low ironed glass.

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TinMan
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Posted - December 15 2011 :  07:42:07  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
New Solar Panel Claimed To Achieve 95% Efficiency

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iaec
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Posted - December 15 2011 :  12:36:58  Show Profile Send iaec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thats some awesome solar panel you got there TinMan producing good 5Vdc at night ^^
I have one to, will do some test with during day, cloudy day, night time and pitch black at night to see if it is any good and let you guys know :)

Edit1; just did to test with my 25x31cm 10Watt 12vdc solar panel
Totaal darkness in basement, totaal lack of any power 0.00v -.-
In the same basement, 1.25 meter away form 2 36watts 1.15 meter tubes i get 9.50vdc and lid up one 300.000 lumen LED like half way -.-
This panel of mine doesnt seems like a good one -.-

Edit2; on a cloudy day the solar panel gives only 6.45vdc -.-

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ccass15n
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Posted - December 15 2011 :  22:11:08  Show Profile Send ccass15n a Private Message  Reply with Quote
how can we calculate the speed of dark...
they say dark is the absence of light, but yet where is the proof, i mean when we turn on a light all we see is the light filling in, so maybe the dark just moves out of the way, or light just gets layered on top of the dark.. we now know that there is indeed dark matter out there, we cant see it, we dont know how it works, we dont really know anything except that it is there,
i believe that darkness is more powerful in the energy spectrum than light is, i think it is harder to use create light than it is to create dark but yet i still think dark is a form of energy...

can anyone think of a way to calculate the speed of dark? if we can find a speed for it then it would have to have a mass right? so if it has a mass then it is a form of energy right?

the only thing i can think of right now is to put a sensor at the end of a light beam and at the beginning of the light beam, turn the light off and measure how fast darkness fills the void, but wouldnt this still only measure the speed of light...im all confused lol



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Kudzu
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Posted - December 16 2011 :  00:27:32  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Cass , I was watching a program a couple of years ago about black hole's ... They were saying the only reason you see it is the debris and light being drawn into the vortex and compressed ...

I was thinking like a drain letting matter escape our realm to another . Now , this is what pop's in my head as an possible answer .

Anyway , if light can be drawn in by gravity maybe this would help find the answer's your seeking . I've been trying to think of another effect on dark or light wave's..
I usually read and watch obscure thing's as they interest me .. The only thing that pop's in my head is dark matter but, that's another topic all together as it is not the subject..

Tinman , Thank's for looking up or trying to look up the panels for me ... I've discovered it's gonna be awhile yet for me now anyway , till I can get some panels.

I still think the only dumb questions are the one's you didn't ask ...

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TinMan
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Posted - December 16 2011 :  10:56:25  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
well here's a thought-what if dark has no speed,what if its always there only light covers it.Kinda like your always naked only covered by cloths,when the cloths are removed you see what was there all along-Kudzu races of to the mirror to see if this is true lmao.

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ccass15n
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Posted - December 16 2011 :  18:50:52  Show Profile Send ccass15n a Private Message  Reply with Quote
hmm interesting.. so wait..if its always there like you said tinman, would that mean that it would have to be heavier or have a greater mass than that of light? so light can just lay over it?

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Kudzu
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Posted - December 16 2011 :  21:54:43  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ROTFLMAO , But the mirror broke when it saw me coming... So, alas still no answer for kudzu .. lol
Cass , I've seen a lot stranger theories , String , Multi-verse , the list goes on and on ... Your theory sound's about as plausible as some i've seen and heard ...



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TinMan
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Posted - December 16 2011 :  23:32:19  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mmm starting to wonder why we want to know the speed of dark if it has any at all????Wonder if they could make a solar panel for dark>>? just make it oposite to the ones for light lol.All you need is potential diference to get a curent flow-so a regular solar panel put's out curent flow in one direction-so if we had a panel that that absorbs curent then you have a curent flow in the oposite direction-thus we have our potential diference.

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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - December 17 2011 :  10:11:37  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cass & Tinman , I was thinking , oh no, not again you say . lol ... The Sun produces many wave's of energy . Also every star produces the same waves ... I remember reading or watching that it's the full light spectrum also radiation of many type's ... The light that's normally seen is just one of these waves . Maybe these panels that are collecting energy at night are using this energy to produce power ... I know if the Earth didn't have it's ozone and magnetic shield everything on the planet would absorb these wave's enough to cook us all very shortly ... Anyway just as light from distant star's are making light energy the wave's of other energy are there also ... So, maybe dark is just the absence of this energy and all energy ...

I still think the only dumb questions are the one's you didn't ask ...

Edited by - Kudzu on December 17 2011 10:22:47
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kcarring
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Posted - December 19 2011 :  03:54:54  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The speed of Dark is the inverse proportion value of little p, the time taken to leave bed, arrive at toilet and complete urination, and is denoted Big P.

just kiddin.

Good to be on board!

Hey speaking of solar, any of you put together a buck converter? Would be a handy little thing and far better than a linear voltage regulator.
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TinMan
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Posted - December 19 2011 :  08:34:18  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
lol nice entry kcarring lol-welcome ti iaec

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Kudzu
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USA
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Posted - December 20 2011 :  13:36:01  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey kcarring , Welcome,, yea that a good formula ya got there.. lol
But, you forget to calculate the stubb Toe ratio that usually is forgotten in the formula .. lol

I still think the only dumb questions are the one's you didn't ask ...
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49er
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USA
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Posted - December 20 2011 :  14:23:35  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Kcarring and welcome

Up here in northern US we call that the sphincter quotient and it is NOT the 4 minute mile.

Doug

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ccass15n
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Posted - December 23 2011 :  00:55:17  Show Profile Send ccass15n a Private Message  Reply with Quote
lol, welcome kcarring, but what about the input of the liquids that got urinated out?

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kcarring
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Posted - December 27 2011 :  03:29:08  Show Profile Send kcarring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ccass15n

lol, welcome kcarring, but what about the input of the liquids that got urinated out?



Ah yes, very good point!

There is an average 210 calories in a single beer, an average man can consume about one an hour, so that's about .25 watts input.

Now, if he was a Russian drinking vodka...
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