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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - November 24 2013 :  16:31:28  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Since Dave and I had a short, rather interesting discussion on bio-product, that lead to a new thread.

Home heating

So now I have to ask..

How are you heating your home?

Let's have some fun with this!
And see what we can learn from each other.




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49er
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Posted - November 24 2013 :  17:07:15  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

That's a great idea. For me Dryer heat recovery, propane furnace, Solar hot air heater and my wife has a new candle space heater I was going to get her to put in here when we get back from our daughters in Dec. + I am using mirrors to bounce sun off them to the solar heater and light the craft room also.
In the barn a box heater but not air tight and a propane torpedo heater.

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olddawgsrule
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Posted - November 25 2013 :  16:59:25  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well now.. I have a taker on this.
So time to come clean on what I do.

Main heat is the Propane Boiler, FHW, that only runs a few times a year to keep it clean and functioning.

Real life:
Upstairs is the Hearthstone Shelburne woodstove.
Since I can still get wood for free, it's hard to remove..
I do try to pay around a $100 a cord (split and delivered) vs cutting or retrieving wood.
Doesn't always happen...

Downstairs:
I also recover dry vent heat, but moisture is an issue.
This is off-set by the pellet stove.
It's a USSG Forrester.
The pellet stove decision what tough for me.
Pellets are a commodity and priced accordingly.
Buy them early and use whatever discounts you can find, pricing is good. Wait too long... Ya well.. Pay the price..

Also the Forester is a dirty stove out of the box.
It takes some time and tuning, which USSG will have no part of.

That's my way.



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olddawgsrule
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Posted - November 25 2013 :  17:01:10  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Doug.. Candle space heater??
Care to take a picture of this and explain?

My curiousity is getting the best of me..


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49er
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Posted - November 25 2013 :  22:13:09  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

ya I will try to get my wife to get the parts and I will get a pic or two and get it on the forum.

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IrishDave
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Ireland
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Posted - December 01 2013 :  15:22:06  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Guys.

My home is heated with natural gas. This is going to be a huge problem in the coming weeks when our power company goes on strike. The gas burner needs electricity to function!
I closed up my 2 open fires years ago, as I found them to effect my breathing with asthma like symptoms. I also think that open fires are tools for cavemen and are unsafe inside a home.
My cooker is electric too.
Over the last few months I have built 2 rocket stoves and just recently I built a candle heater from terracotta pots - still testing burn times and temps, but very happy with the results. I also have gas bottles (for the BBQ) which I also have the direct connection for pots to be boiled just above the bottle. I also have a gas camping stove and a stock of charcoal for another BBQ. I also make ethanol from time to time in my still - it is a terrible long process for the returns given.
Small terracotta pots are out of season here (I know that must sound retarded to those in bigger countries), so finding new ones has so far failed.
I have been thinking about getting a wood gassifier, but with so many free energy devices hitting (or about to hit) the markets, I have decided to hold off for a bit longer.
The weather is very strange here again this year, as it is still warm outside tonight. I was out in a tee-shirt a few minutes back and I could not believe the higher than normal temps - it is usually freezing at this time of year.

Most of the neighbors are stocking up on fuels and candles are in almost every shopping trolley I spied.
I think a lot of people here will think twice about how they heat their homes when the realization sets in that they will have no heating although they have a gas boiler installed.

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49er
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Posted - December 01 2013 :  20:28:50  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi All

This is what my wife made for around $5. My wife says you can buy candles at home depot 100 for a 5.00 and at all the dollar stores. We have had it running for 5 hrs at a temp of 165F so works very well and cheep.

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Kudzu
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Posted - December 02 2013 :  02:57:38  Show Profile Send Kudzu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My house is propane/electric furnace , propane logs , vanguard propane heater in the sun room ...
We mostly use high efficiency ceramic space heaters though ...
I plan to take out the gas log's and open the fireplace back up ... I'm torn at the aspect of an insert or having a cook rack made for the then open fireplace ..
All we have to cook with is an electric stove & oven , so a swinging spit & pot rack in the fireplace would be handy in power outages .
Call me a Caveman , lol .. It would beat tryin to cook in the backyard in a long power outage , lol

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olddawgsrule
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Posted - December 02 2013 :  15:15:27  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very cool!
Well... hot!!
Thanks for sharing!

[quote]Originally posted by 49er

Hi All

This is what my wife made for around $5. My wife says you can buy candles at home depot 100 for a 5.00 and at all the dollar stores. We have had it running for 5 hrs at a temp of 165F so works very well and cheep.

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hkalan
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Posted - December 05 2013 :  07:47:10  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello,

Great Topic ODR !

It is sub-tropical here in Hong Kong, but it is between 4C to 8C in the evenings of November to early March. That is cold to me !

I have just finished updating the 58 foot 1982 Bertram Motor Yacht for winter !!!

Although most people do not like LPG on a boat. I love it. I have a tankless LPG water heater in each bathroom for morning showers. I have two 24"X42" solar collectors that we use for daytime showers. The same collectors have a line I put in when I made them that have a circulation pump that heat an "A" coil with a 24v fan that is used as a forced air heater for the day time to take out the chill during the daytime.

The best way to heat up the boat is to start the engines, and go out fishing ! I have fans that pull the heat off the two 570hp Detroit Diesel Engines from the engine room. Nothing warms the body more then having a blue fin tuna on the hook for lunch :-)

Alan



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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - December 05 2013 :  17:12:12  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Alan, I have to ask...

I debated 'Tank-less' over the "Super Store Tanks".
If you have solar capability, then I think 'Super Store'(highly insulated) is the answer.
For you, I can see space and weight concerns...

I did choose Tank-less by propane.
Yet, I live (should I say compete) with 2 women for showers..
If I had solar capability at that point, I may just have re-considered..

Any thoughts folks on Tank-less vs Super-Store??

I'm not going to touch the Blue Fin heating..
I'm just to jealous over that one HK!! LOL!

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hkalan
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Posted - December 05 2013 :  18:49:10  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey ODR,

I don't have any more room. In the engine room I do have a two 20 gallon water heaters The first has 1 AC element and a 3/4" threaded IN/OUT for an internal heat exchange tube coil that the engine anti-freeze/coolant flows thru, so as the engine heats up, the liquid flows and the coil then heats to create hot water. I have the first 20 gallon heat exchange connected to the port side engine. The other tank has a 1,200W 24-36v DC element that I use as a dump load, and the solar collector uses the heat exchange coil.

The tankless LPG water heaters are so convenient and small. They make things so easy ! The forward bathroom also can be used for the galley (kitchen) sink hot water. I installed a solenoid valve that can divert the water flow from the water heater tanks, so when those run out of hot water... boom... we have hot water.

What are your thoughts about making a loop system with a tankless water heater, adapting a DC circulation pump, an evaporator core (under dash) from truck heater, small expansion tank. Install glycol. The tankless heaters I have are "Flow" and "temperature" regulated. They start once there is a flow of liquid. Once the glycol starts to flow the unit will turn on the LPG and electronically ignite. The heated glycol flows thru the core and the fan behind the core throws out nice and toasty warm air... the tankless water heaters I have will shut off if the water in the pipe is 45C (113F).

Would be a simple system to make, and would be very convenient for me on any boat !

Would love your thoughts.

Alan



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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - December 05 2013 :  19:48:20  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When I first bought this home they had a furnace downstairs that they hoped to re-claim heat back into the FHW system.
It was so inefficient I tore it out and made space for the woodstove.

The thought there was to incorporate it into the FHW system.
What I learned through that process was I was cooling the firebox to much.
Reducing heat within the firebox only lead to more creosote buildup in the chimney due to reduced temp.
The balance of flue temp vs re-claim just never did pan out for me..

Now if you're talking about using your engine coolant to pre-heat your water.
Sounds great! But the engines must be running..
If there not, then reverse cooling is happening.
And I'd bet those engines of yours ain't little.. or cheap to run.. LOL!

If you're talking about putting a core in the engine compartment and cycling through that.
Interesting, yet what temp is the compartment typically?

My biggest problem was always reverse cooling or too much cooling within the source.

I've always wanted to try a coil outside the box (stove) and see what temps I could get without removing room heat.
I have the setup in place to circulate to the FHW.

Attempts so far have lead back to the above.. Reverse or too much cooling..

I have not found a balance yet..


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netchecker007
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Austria
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Posted - December 06 2013 :  06:01:40  Show Profile Send netchecker007 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
hi guys! intresting topic!

we, my wife and kids are living in a house.
in the cellar we have a natural gas heater/burner
that heats up our house including warm water.
the house is completely thermally insulated with styrofoam.
that makes it possible to keep the house warm till end of october
when the temperature outside reaches 6° C at night and around 12-15° C
in the daytime. in november we need to activate the heating,
otherwise the temperature would drop to an unconfortable level.
This system need gas and electricity - so is depends on the
suppliers if we have a warm home or not.
This thought made us feel unwell, so when planning for example
the kitchen, we included a stove we can cook, bake and heat
the dining room and of course the kitchen. another stoves are
placaed in the living room and on the first floor. and if winter
getīs really cold we can warm up the stove in our sauna and the
cellar weīll reach a nice temperature. Of course then we would
also enjoy sauna :-)
So, if the suppliers turn off gas and electricity, we are able to
keep the house nice warm, weīll be able to warm up water and
prepare food as usual. But we use the stoves anywas because
this cind of heating feels much better than from radiators and food
done in the stove is much more delicious :-) and it helps to keep
the montly bills down.
one more option for us is solar energy, but a big investment.

would be nice to have a solution to supplie the gasburner with hho.

greetings
nc
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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - December 06 2013 :  14:26:22  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm curious NC..
When you talk stoves, I assume wood..
Curious what wood costs you a cord dry
Also what you consider a cord?
Learned years back a cord in Canada is a third of ours..
4ft x 4ftx 8ft 128 cubic feet here, going retail $280-320 dry/split/ delivered

My Aunt and Uncle had a wood burning stove in the farm for years.
Loved the stove!
Even thought Aunt Linda had a new kitchen, she always cooked something special with the wood burner.
It was always a treat and an experience to cook with her on it (or just be fire-tender).
My cousin grabbed it when they finally stopped using it and brought it up to his home in Maine and continues the tradition.

I have fond memories of wood burning cooking stoves.
Do wish I had the extra room for one..

My cooking is on the Propane stove.
I like it more and more as time goes on.
Power goes out, I can still match light it and stove-top cook.
Propane pricing is an issue.. another commodity..




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netchecker007
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Austria
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Posted - December 06 2013 :  16:34:33  Show Profile Send netchecker007 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
hi ODR,
yes, we use wood and every year i use around 16 cubic meters.
the costs at my supplier is around eur 720 / us 987
dry, split and delivered and itīs much more expensive here than
in the us. but if you compare it to the gas price here, the kWh
price here is at eur 0,67 / us 0,92 in our case the costs would
be at eur 2.790 / us 3.823 per year, using the wood stoves
we are under eur 1.800 / us 2.466 including wood delivery.
and, surprise, the prices are rising every year ...
so, for heating and warm water itīs at eur 150 / us 206 per month.
for a house like ours here this is still cheap.

propane is an alternative, but here very expensive.
the costs for one bottle with 11 kg / 24 pounds is at eur 80 / us 110

i love it to sit in the living room with the lit stove,
reading a book, having a glas of red wine and listening
to the burning wood ...

right now we have a storm here, at has reached the 120 km/h
the trees look like theīre going to break and the roof sounds
like itīs going to fly away
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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - December 06 2013 :  16:47:32  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I pushed my thoughts on the candle heater over to the other thread
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Input Welcome as always


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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - January 05 2014 :  14:01:00  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Woodstove just got a tune-up!

They say every 3 seasons you should change out the gaskets..
9 years.. Was about time..

Easiest way to tell if it's time, is the streaks across the glass.
Too much air pulling in!
No glass, then quicker burns then usual and just a bit hotter than normal.
The real test is to take a strip of paper and close the door on it at different points along the gasket.
If you can pull that paper out (mine fell out), the gasket needs to be replaced.

Gasket came out easy, well should have after 9 years..
Get the channel nice and clean, take your time.
Nice piece of advise I received was clean the groove out with a damp cloth.
Since the adhesive is water-soluble 'damping' the groove actually helps to create a good contact.

The process is fairly easy and only took me 30 minutes.
A few things to be careful of:
Don't stretch the gasket
Don't bunch the gasket
And do 'Dry Fit' test before adhering

If you have questions of the process, you can always ask.
Happy to assist!




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49er
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USA
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Posted - January 05 2014 :  14:30:40  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

With what you have for weather and what your about to get you will need that stove. LOL

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olddawgsrule
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USA
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Posted - January 06 2014 :  16:40:53  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
-6'F start yesterday to 57'F today..

Getting back to normal tonight and for a few days.

Really nice having the stove running like it should.




I'm 'very happy' with this stove
Meets all EPA requirements and at that time was a unique way of doing so.
Yet with new enlightenment's
I'm questioning my decision not to have gone Soapstone..




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49er
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Posted - February 24 2014 :  10:08:27  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

I just got a new wood pellet stove and its great. It will cut the cost of heating by 50% and my wife can work it too. lol

Doug
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olddawgsrule
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Posted - February 25 2014 :  14:01:35  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Okay, I'll bite the bait.. Which one?
I take you for a multi-fuel kind guy.. Close?

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49er
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Posted - February 25 2014 :  19:51:00  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

This stove burns hard and soft wood pellets and cherry pits NO corn.





Its gets a little carried away some times. LOL and that's on as low as it will go.



Its digital read out is hard to make the camera focus properly .
Clean out is once a week and we load it twice a day but it only uses 40# a day and it heats much better than the gas furnace for less money. The only problem I see is that I have to buy a pure sign wave inverter to run it. Small extra price to heat it off the grid.
My wife just got the propane bill for the last 2 months and said this is more than we paid for the stove. LOL it will pay for its self yet this year the way we are going. Tonight it will get to -0- F
and the house will be 66 F on low just like last night. Don't know why I didn't do this years ago.


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Posted - February 26 2014 :  16:19:08  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hard to tell from the pic, but it looks a little bigger than mine, but real close..
It looks like you put on the outside air kit (OAK), I see pvc piping heading towards it.
Good move if so, it really does help!
Pure sine wave is the only way to, don't want to hurt the electronics's in it.
Mine is in addition to, so I don't bother when the power goes out
The wood stove is still my main source of heat

The read-out looks like you may be thermostatically controlled..
If so, very cool!
Mine is not, but it's also in the basement, so it really doesn't matter as much to me

I can only push 18hrs per 40#'s, typical is 16hrs for me, so you're doing well if you're getting 24hrs out of her

Pellets will be your next learning curve!
They are not created equal!!
Try a few different brands you can get locally and see how (and this is important) your stove behaves
What works great for me, may not for you.. far too many variables involved
I will say, don't get locked into burning 'hardwood', try all the types
I find 'softwood' pellets burn hotter and just as long.. but like I said, that's my stove..

One other key item is cleaning
Since I still don't know what you have, I can't look it up to check
Most of these stoves have some hidden little areas you need to clean that they just don't mention..
Pass me the make and model (PM if you wish) and I'll check it out

Lastly, join You must be logged in to see this link.
If you ever need help or advise, these guys are great!
That also goes for the rest of you 'Burners' out there!!




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Posted - February 26 2014 :  20:30:59  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

My pellet stove is made by castle and it is model Serenity. We are burning jack pine pellets made in Mich. Today we found some pellets made 70/30 % hard/soft wood. We are getting 10 bags of that type and we are told it burns 7 bags to 10 of the jack pine type. They won't be in for a week, LOL every one is out of product here.

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Posted - February 27 2014 :  16:55:59  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's funny, believe it or not.. I was guessing Castle.
It's a jazz'ed up version of mine!
USSC no longer carries their version of this and as I understand Castle upgraded the electronics's
(which is USSC's biggest issue), the guts are the same.

Look up in your firebox and you will see 2 outlets, these are tough to clean, but must be each time you empty the ash pan.
I've made up an adapter to fit and block the other when cleaning (I also dis-connect the flue, as not to draw ash back in). If you trust my advise on nothing else, this one will save you from what I've gone through and learned.

End of season you will need to completely clean the unit.
Take the left side panel off and look down at the base of the air chamber.
You'll see a metal cover with two wing nuts, that's you way into the chamber and how to really clean it out.
Your top should come off like mine as well, 2 hidden screws under the top (towards the front) and 2 on the back and you'll see another metal plate with wing nuts.
I run a brush down through this, while the vacuum is on the bottom one.
Sounds like a pain, but before I learned of this, the stove started running like crap.. and choked the pressure switch..

Have to go get another bag of Currans (my new favorites) and fire mine back up!
Stay warm my friend!


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49er
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Posted - February 27 2014 :  18:03:48  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

When I get to that point this spring I will call on you for more details Thanks

Doug
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Posted - February 27 2014 :  18:05:50  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

When I get to that point this spring I will call on you for more details Thanks

Doug
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olddawgsrule
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Posted - March 02 2014 :  09:32:14  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've been talking to a couple of others that own the same stove.
I'll be doing what they did this Spring.. "Pimp my Stove"!
I'm do for a greasing and through cleaning.

When we get there, be happy to help and explain what I'm about to do.

Now, I'll bite on the second piece of bait..
What's the soup can all about?

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Posted - March 02 2014 :  10:12:07  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

LOL My attempt at putting humidity in the room. It works and not in the way of the air flow or the door. A new idea I am using is a Harbor fright bedini style magnet to hold down the vac switch while filling the hopper which to me does 2 things. 1 it keeps the small smell that the stove gives off when the hopper door is shut. 2. It keeps the auger going while I fill the hopper which take 2 to 3 minutes. I am also looking at the over all watts used for a 24 hr period and found out the igniter does not use 580 watts as the book says but only about 415 watts tops. what this tells me is I can run this thing with a 600 watt pure sign and not a bigger one like I am buying.

Doug
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Posted - March 02 2014 :  11:34:31  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The only time I had a smell (or one I didn't care for) was when I used some 'cheap' pellets and blamed it on them being damp.. Hopefully it's not a burned smell your getting..

Do remember, when doing your weekly cleaning, to hit those 2 out-ports up in the firebox.

Stay warm!

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Posted - March 26 2014 :  17:36:59  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

I have looked for the 2 ports and don't see them in the drawing or in the stove. A question for you? With my stove it doesn't shut off for a over thermostat temp ( set at 66F and on low its 85 in the room. LOL my wife is happy) do you have a feed rate that you can control ? Mine is digital feed but the slowest feed is a drop at 6 sec. or 10 times a minute.

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Posted - March 27 2014 :  16:26:07  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's an exploded view of the Ardisam and all the Castle stoves are built (as I know it..)the same way (including my USSC).

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I looked at your manual, and like mine does not show this.

What he is pointing to is the lower clean-out port you'll need to know about this spring. There's another under the top cover.

If you look at #2, right below that shelf inside the firebox you should see the outlet ports.

To be honest, I gave you till mid-season next year before asking about the rate of feed!
Figured you'd be pretty stoked (excuse the pun) this season, but would get serious about it mid-next..

My feed rate is also digital.
I also have not manual way of controlling it and have spoken to USSC at length about this.
Deaf ears..

I am saddened to hear Castle didn't fix this, for I was understanding they had.. I do still believe your rate, burn to room exchange is better than mine or at least I've been led to believe such.

What I've done is blocked 1/3 of the feeder chute in the hopper. That slows my feed rate to a point that works best for me. More than that, I don't get the heat, less than, makes no difference.

Now, you're smarter than I to figure out where to safely put a couple of potentiometers on this!


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Posted - March 28 2014 :  08:50:59  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

I am going to put a delay on the door open switch. magnet and reed switch NC on a clock motor so it can be adjustable. My heater drops pellets every 6 sec so that is 10 drops a minute. I have tested it at dropping 9 times a minute and all went well. After I make the delay setup I will look into 8 or 7 drops. Very simple and straight forward, I tested yesterday to see about how much the unit dropped in one hour but not very accurate about 1.7 lbs. So 1 drop a minute will make .17 lbs. an hour and I think 2 per minute is very possible. The best I have to date is 42 to 43 lbs. a day so 20% would leave you at 35 lbs. in 24 and less heat to deal with. I have my clock drive and plat form to mount the switch BUT all my reeds are NO bummer going to the store this after noon to buy one but they sound like they don't carry them. LOL ebay has them but another week for that to happen. I will look for the clean out spots today.

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Posted - March 29 2014 :  10:31:19  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

I have installed the pellet interrupter and are dropping 2 of the 10 drops per minute. It work well so far and just in time. LOL had to shut it of yesterday 4 times, was hard to keep it under 80F. update tomorrow, it is going to be 41 here today, will see.

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Posted - March 30 2014 :  17:18:18  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

Well it was 30F last night and the drop time I dropped to 3 off the 10 and keep the fire going. I ran a 24 hr. run with a full load in the hopper so I got a good idea of what it would do and when I filled it up today it only took 35.2 LBS. happy happy. Ai 3 pm when I shut the stove down it was 50 F out side and the house was 81 F so it was a good test. GOOD LUCK with yours. OH by the way I looked at mine and don't have the tube to clean out, checked it twice.

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Posted - March 31 2014 :  17:30:23  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sounds like you've done what I've been trying to do (electronically)!
Please post a picture of this.

I'm not familiar with the "door open" you speak of.
Is this a flap to cover the auger feed?
Or just you confusing the unit that the door is open and delaying the cycle?

Very curious!
And if so.. A unique direction!

On the out-let ports.. There up there somewhere..
I've reached out and hopefully I'll get a response (which usually takes a couple of days)and we'll figure out where they are. It is that important.






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Posted - March 31 2014 :  19:05:00  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

This pic is the hopper door switch you see



Now follow the wire from the switch out of the hopper and down to the plug in connector.



Now separate the plug and chose one of the wires from the switch side and then cut only one. Then attach a coupler to each end and attach a length of wire to take it out side the stove to the magnet reed switch.


At this point the two wires are attached to the magnet reed switch. NOTE this is just a NC switch for that is all the door switch is so same same.



At this point I used a couple of magnets in two spots 180 degrees on a jar cover that is glued to a clock motor so the motor makes one revolution per minute. test this with a continuity meter and time the time that the magnet keeps the switch engaged. Mine is on 11 sec one magnet and 9 sec on the other one. Next a stop watch with the wires hooked up to the stove and the indicator light working but not running start the clock motor and watch the door indicator on the screen flash on/off and if you see that work then fire it up and count the number of dumps that the auger shows. The 11 sec will give you 8 dumps per and when you add the second magnet you will get only 7 dumps and you will have to change your air gate to 1/3 open and the exhaust voltage to 80 volts, very small fire but it does stay lit. There you are
Keep it simple I mounted my switch to a cardboard box on a 2X4 about a foot long and just screwed the clock motor to one end. The magnet reed switch is a NO/NC security switch for a door or window, just make sure you use the NC hookup.

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Posted - April 01 2014 :  16:58:33  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Had a feeling that's what you were doing.
Makes the unit believe the door is open and hesitates the cycle.

Just didn't know how you did it!

I was hoping to slow the auger motor down with voltage regulation.
I tried this with a old treadmill we have around here and haven't done it right yet..
Thought I'd try it there first and if successful, then do it to the pellet stove.

Glad to see it works for you!
For me, I'll keep poking at the voltage regulation.
It's a good exercise for me and I'm learning from it (just right now, what not to do, LOL)
Besides, blocking a portion of the auger opening has helped a lot.

Stay warm!
From driving home Sunday in an Ice storm to almost 50 degrees today..
Gotta love New England!
At least the sap is running!! Syrup makin' time!!


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Posted - April 01 2014 :  18:51:50  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

Well I just added a third magnet to one side and that changed the drop to 27 in 5 minutes. WOW that is really low and the fire is very LOW LOW LOW. LOL LOL Its 38 here now and I will have to see what it holds the house at for temp.

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Posted - April 01 2014 :  21:28:06  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

Here is a vid of the timer clock like watching paint dry LOL

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This vid is 5 minutes of the fire pot and the 27 drops, notice the highs and lows but the room is staying at 74F and its 35F out side.

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Bring some corn for the last video is 5 minutes. Compare this to yours ENJOY

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Posted - April 02 2014 :  16:29:32  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just measured my auger opening in the hopper and would like to compare.
Mine by factory is 3" tall x 2.25" wide.
Now, mine is 2" tall x 2.25" wide.
This cut down the amount coming through which I felt (and found correctly) was too much.

Your flame is low and strong (can tell by color).
This will keep the pot clear and allow proper burning.
Great job!
Clumpers building up in the pot usually means the feed rate is too high or restricted air flow.
Or cheap pellets... Been there.. Buy quality, you'll be happier.

Take a video of the inside of the firebox when you have an opertunity.
Mainly I hope to see the top of the sides and back.
The word came back that no good diagram of the interior exists..
I swear I saw one on the interent, but can't seem to locate it..
It was also said that they changed the outlets to narrow and long.
Hopefully that's an improvement, but I just see what goes up there now getting pulled quicker into the exchanger box.
Making cleaning the exchanger box even more important each season.

Stay warm!

P.S. Hit 51 degrees today! Losing snow quickly! Spring may actually be here!!

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Posted - April 02 2014 :  20:23:45  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

Here is both pics of the back corners.





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Posted - April 03 2014 :  17:58:50  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm..
Reached to Ardisam to see what they say.

You diffidently have the new design!

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Posted - May 24 2014 :  08:35:13  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi ODR

I am thinking about the next heating season, what are you storing for pellets for the year?? I have found a place that has the 70/30% hardwood and am thinking 4 tons will heat the place for the hole winter.

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Posted - May 25 2014 :  08:23:30  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't anymore. A local supplier has a 'pre-pay' deal (started 2 years back) and he stores.
I had issues with some brands and bad packaging..
Ended up with a dozen plus of damp pellets..
Costs me a couple of dollars more per ton, but no issues.

Used to just keep them in the garage.
Off the ground, on the pallet.
Took up a bit of space, but the 'critters' never bothered them.

I only keep a half ton here now.
Kinda nice to have the space back in the garage!

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Posted - May 25 2014 :  15:18:52  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Guys.

I have decided I am getting rid of the gas company. There are a number of reasons for this decision, from rising gas prices to rising carbon taxes. We were threatened with an all out electric strike last December and when there is no electric, there is no gas boiler running.
I decided to go with a 22kw wood stove with extra vents and an internal back boiler to heat my rads, until I entered my sister's house and spotted an unused multi fuel stove sitting in the corner of the room.
My brother-in-law had just bought it as it was half the price of a new one and was only used a few times.
He has offered it to me at what he paid for it, so he can now buy a bigger one, which is required for his 18 rad home.
It does not have the extra vents I had wished for but at only 550 euros, I can't let it go.
Logs are not taxed here so many are switching to wood since coal rose by 2.50 euros a bag here.
I am hoping to have it installed by the end of September, but wifey is urging me for a sooner date.
I have never missed an open fire, as my breathing was terrible when I had them, but I am looking forward to burning things again :)
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Posted - May 25 2014 :  16:29:06  Show Profile Send 49er a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Dave

Good for you. The one with the boiler sound very good to heat your place. Also some people heats there bath water with that type but you MUST be very quick if you shower. That save on the water bill also. LOL

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Hi Doug.

The house is already set to heat the tank in the hot press, but I need new bath fittings to avail of a shower, as there are only 2 taps on my bath now. I have a 9.5kw electric shower now. I may keep the electric shower, but plan to use the water in the tank as it will save on my power bill.
I will need a new fireplace as the one I have now (wood) is not suited to the new burner. I would have preferred a wood stove, but a multi fuel will allow me to burn a lot more while reducing my bin charges.
I can also boil a kettle or pot directly from the top of the stove, so looking forward to saving some more power on that too.
Storing fuel is going to have to be mostly done in my front garden, so plans are in place for some alterations. I hope to hide both my bins and the fuel behind wooden fences. I will need to cement another piece of my garden to make this possible. I have over 200 roof tiles sitting in my front garden which are to be used in a canopy across the front of my house in the coming weeks. This is part of a plan for gathering rain water and will free up a nice bit of space in my garden for storing fuel.
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Posted - May 26 2014 :  17:09:42  Show Profile  Visit olddawgsrule's Homepage Send olddawgsrule a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll have to look up this "hot-press" to understand, but the 22kw equates close to 1.5 times what I have to heat my home, but I don't heat my water from it..
I haven't moved from gas entirely, I like cooking with it and my 'insta-heat' hot water is powered by it.
Having a daughter in the home, I do like the fact that there's still some hot water for me!

Seriously though, I did consider what is called 'Super-store'.
A highly insulated tank, of greater capacity.
Which also lead towards, several smaller that I could insulate.
Which leads to how..

I'm not busting wood boiler's, but..
Real consideration of heat reduction vs flue temp, then loss of heat to retain flue temp, has to be considered.

I'm with you here Dave!
Been looking a several solar hot water heaters.
Still haven't found one that's cost wise..



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Posted - May 26 2014 :  20:16:58  Show Profile  Visit hkalan's Homepage Send hkalan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey ODR,

I read you have an "Instant" Hot water tap. Is that LPG or Natural Gas powered instant boiler ? I will guess that it uses AC power for the bower to exhaust the unit...

I have switched over to only tankless LPG water heaters. I have the factory change the ignition and exhaust blower to 12v or 24v (depending on the boat battery bank).

As long as they are refining oil, we will always have an abundance of LPG.



In a vessel with 3 adults showering and washing dishes daily, and we cook with the LPG. A $20 dollar 30 pound bottle of LPG lasts 4 to 5 weeks. 2 people can shower at the same time, and for me on a boat. I do not have to worry about the weight issue of a 100L or 200L tank of water listing my boat port or starboard LOL.

You can still unplug from the Natural gas grid, and the power it uses is from your solar or wind that charges your existing battery bank.

Recently... I have a small 70L water heater tank down in the centre forward bow hull (under the guest bed) that just connects to the kitchen (galley) sink hot water tap. It has a DC element that I use as a dump load for the battery bank, as well as a heat exchanger from a small solar solar collector I made with copper pipes. The solar collector, controller, and pump were less then $150 USD. Add the additional $12 for the 2 valves under the sink to allow me the ability to simply select the tankless hot water, or the forward tank... It does not break the bank ! I spend more money on beer when we go out fishing offshore, then the cost of this system !

Here is how they work...



It is a horizontal mount, like this...



Go down to where the shipyards are that repair pleasure vessels, and you can get one of the smaller marine water heater tanks like I have that they throw in the trash, and grab it for free... so many rich boat owner upgrade to a 100 or 200L because they only use the boat for "entertainment" only. Need to keep the guests happy !

Here is how the standard marine water heater works... We take the heat from the engine to heat the internal heat exchange coil that makes hot water... very similar to the solar collector water heater tank... and they have the AC element, but I change the element to a DC for the dump load in my system.



Good Luck Brother !

Alan


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