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TinMan
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Posted - April 21 2013 :  07:53:14  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is a video showing the so called !cold fusion experiment's!.After closely watching the reaction within the water,i believe it is nothing more than the hydrogen igniting around the cathode probe(negative prob).


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IrishDave
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Posted - April 21 2013 :  10:18:09  Show Profile Send IrishDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great experiment TM!

Did you use tap water for the test?

A stick on fish tank thermometer would be great to see on the glass too.
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Darrell
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Posted - April 21 2013 :  18:58:12  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TM
Put a sealed lid over the glass and install tube for the gas to get out. Now if you ignite the gas while it is hot there will be little or no explosion. But if you cool the gas down before igniteing will be just like it was coming off you HHO cell. (very powerful) If you want to take it to another level place magnets on either side of the tube.

If you want to cutt down on power consumtion add cytric acid or lemon juice to the water. The reaction will start out at high amp but once the water starts breaking down and gaining heat the amps will fall and the production will remain close to the same. Start with 8 to 10 volts
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TinMan
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Posted - April 21 2013 :  19:09:53  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@ Dave,Yes normal tap water with a small amount of bakeing soda.

@Darrell-8 to 10 volt's?. This would never start the reaction-i wouldnt think.104 volt's is the lowest anyone has gotten for the reaction to continue once started-bellow that,the reaction stop's.I will give the cytric acid a go though.

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Darrell
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Posted - April 21 2013 :  19:15:48  Show Profile Send Darrell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes one cell group and a little catylist should kick it off. The water will turn yellow and you will see sediment. before the water gets hot ignite the gas. you will see some powerful stuff with cytric acid and it doesn't take more than a pinch. And at about 150 degrees the gas will become less powerful but can be converted back by being cooled. just be careful brother. Darrell
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TinMan
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Posted - April 24 2013 :  10:20:47  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This is what we need to reach unity when heating 1.5 leters of water.
Qheat = 4.19 * 1500g * (delta-T) = Einput = 0.10 KW-h = 360,000J -
Solve this for delta-T:
delta-T = 360,000J/(4.19 * 1500) = 57.3 C
So to reach unity we have to raise the temp of 1.5 liters of water by 57.3*C.
In my test we will also be raising the mass of glass by the same amount-this heated mass is not accounted for im my test-should it be?.
I believe it should,as we are still heating a mass along with the water.
My glass jar is around 960 gram's.
Although very dense-glass is a liquid.

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TinMan
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Posted - April 24 2013 :  21:02:18  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In this video,i have run a temp rise test using our 100 watt hour power limit.
Here are the test result's.
Einput = 360, 000 J

Qh2o = 4.19 * 1640g * 55C = 377,938 J

Qglass = 0.84 * 887g * 55C = 40979 J

Qout = sum, = 418,917J

Eff = 418,917 / 360,000 = 116%
As you can see,we hav ealso included the temp rise of the glass jar aswell.I will be carrying out more test throughout the week,using different configuration's-e.g, different anode material's and changeing the support rods to S/S.
A second watt meter is also on the way,so as a comparison between the two can be made.
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PhysicsProf
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Posted - April 26 2013 :  08:18:21  Show Profile Send PhysicsProf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tinman:

quote:
Einput = 360, 000 J

Qh2o = 4.19 * 1640g * 55C = 377,938 J

Qglass = 0.84 * 887g * 55C = 40979 J

Qout = sum, = 418,917J

Eff = 418,917 / 360,000 = 116%


Excellent analysis (looks familiar), and intriguing results.
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TinMan
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Posted - April 26 2013 :  19:28:35  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Excellent analysis (looks familiar),

Yes-a copy and paste from your reply Steve lol.I got lazy.
A new test to come soon-and i will do the math this time lol.

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TinMan
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Posted - April 26 2013 :  19:54:29  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Second test.
This time i have used 2.1 liters of water so as most of the glass jar is covered in water.
Starting temp was 33 C
Finish temp was 75C
Water volume-2.1 liters

E/in-360000
Delta T= 4.19 x 2100=8799.
360000/8799=40.91C

Temp rise gain in test=75-33=42c
Qh2o=4.19x2100x42=369558j
Qglass=.84x887x42=31293.36j

Qout total=400851.36j

EFF=400851.36/360000x100=111.3476%

Next i will run the test using an insulated plastic container,and eliminate the galss from the equation.


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PhysicsProf
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Posted - April 26 2013 :  23:18:42  Show Profile Send PhysicsProf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No problem, Tinman... just joking a little ("familiar")

"Next i will run the test using an insulated plastic container,and eliminate the galss from the equation."

Yes! very good. Also -- do you stay at 220VAC/mains voltage, or do you lower the voltage after "ignition" the way Woopy does? You MAY get higher eff if you lower the input voltage(?).
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TinMan
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Posted - April 27 2013 :  01:52:37  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Steve
I dont yet have a variac,so i cant lower the voltage at the moment.

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gotoluc
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Posted - April 27 2013 :  22:30:06  Show Profile Send gotoluc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi TinMan,

I was also looking into Cold Fusion of this kind and found this video by Renzo Mondaini interesting: You must be logged in to see this link.

One of the many interesting things in this video is you may find a benefit to raise the height of the cathode closer to the surface of the water which could help get a faster plasma reaction which in return could raise the temperature of the water at a faster rate and also reduce the the high start up current.

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your experiments.

Thanks for sharing

Luc
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TinMan
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Posted - May 02 2013 :  08:30:55  Show Profile Send TinMan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Luc
Thanks for the link on the video.I will give that a try for sure throughout my testing.
I have stoped testing on this until my 3 decimal point watt meter turns up.

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